NFL Draft I'll come out and say it: this was a good draft. - Page 6

Direckshun · 04-26-2009, 09:03 PM

This draft did not make the most sense out of what we COULD have done.

But think of what we accomplished:

We drafted the TWO BEST pure 3-4 DEs in the Draft this year. Jackson in particular seems to have a great ceiling, and Magee is the perfect lunchpail guy.
Anybody here who realistically thought we were set at CB with Flowers-Carr-Leggett(-Daniels?) is deluding themselves. We were going to need another piece there. Washington was not the BEST choice we could have made, but his pick is not senseless.
For a draft that was largely without sizzle, we did make it out of the draft with two potentially exciting skill-position players from the late rounds.
A kicker! BARTH VS. SUCCOP, an elite battle of eliteness.
Brown and O'Connell didn't make a lick of sense, no defenses there.
The positions, outside of QB, that take the longest to develop are DL, WR, and CB. It makes more sense to get those players first when you are building a team. This draft hit those positions first.

There are other reasons out there but we will hear them as the thread winds on.

Good first draft by Pioli.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-27-2009, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Walterfootball is ripping Pioli a new one every chance he gets, and I usually like the guy.

I don't frequent that site, but I will have to check it out.

SenselessChiefsFan · 04-27-2009, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Walterfootball is ripping Pioli a new one every chance he gets, and I usually like the guy.

Okay, checked it out. Kind of made me laugh. I actually agree somewhat about Curry. I felt like he was the best pick. But, to bash the trade of Cassel is silly. To question it, is fine. But to completely bash it is silly.

Cassel's former GM AND former offensive coordinator both really wanted this kid. In fact, McDaniel so love the Cassel, that he sent Denver's only QB son to Chicago.

Doesn't this give this guy any pause about ripping Cassel?

Hey, we all have opinions, but every once in a while, we all have to realize that we don't know it all, and we will make mistakes. I just think that you have to look at things like that and wonder... 'what could I be missing'.... rather than these two guys are BOTH idiots.

Anyways, always like to see all sides, so thanks for pointing it out.

Direckshun · 04-27-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Scott Pioli is getting absolutely ripped on by just about everyone who isn't a Chiefs fan from what I've seen...

I love this. You'll criticize people for deferring to a guy with a ring, but you have no problem deferring to a majority of non-Chiefs fans on the Chiefs' picks.

I'd think you'd know a fallacy when you see one.

When you have ARGUMENTS, you'll fit into this thread. "But a lot of people thinks this sucks" is not an argument.

Shox · 04-27-2009, 09:37 AM

I don't have any problem at all with Jackson. A good pick for the new Chief 3-4 system.

My problem was with Magee. Dorsey is already slotted to play DE and Jackson certainly is going to be the other DE. So we use a 3rd round pick for a backup DE when we have many other holes to fill. I don't get it.

How about a OL or LB with this pick. TE or WR was a huge need as well in my opinion. You go out an make a great trade to get Cassel and then trade his All-PRO TE away. Teams are going to double Bowe all day now and Cassel is going to be running for his life.

I totally do not understand making sure Cassel has the weapons to be sucessful. Maybe there is another deal left to be made, but at this point the 3rd round pick really leave Pioli with a blackeye in my opinion.

Fat Elvis · 04-27-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Scott Pioli is getting absolutely ripped on by just about everyone like me, Dane and Hamas from what I've seen...

FYP

htismaqe · 04-27-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Walterfootball is ripping Pioli a new one every chance he gets, and I usually like the guy.

Walterfootball is the only one I've seen so far that is overly negative.

And they REALLY wanted us to take Curry, so I don't put much value in what they have to say.

Curry would have been an AWFUL pick for us.

**buddha** · 04-27-2009, 10:11 AM

As Pioli has said over the past week, the Chiefs are just starting to make personnel moves. To look at this draft in a bubble without it being considered in the context of what's coming is a mistake in my opinion. The putrid o-line will be addressed. I'm fairly confident that Pioli has eyes just like we do. So does Haley.

When you're trying to rebuild a team that is as bad as KC, it has to happen in stages.

I think Pioli is a really bright guy and I'm glad he's working for the team I follow. It's been awhile since I've felt that way about KC's front office.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Walterfootball is the only one I've seen so far that is overly negative.

And they REALLY wanted us to take Curry, so I don't put much value in what they have to say.

Curry would have been an AWFUL pick for us.

Actually, that's not true.

If you've read Walter any significant length of time, you'd know that he had us signed sealed and delivered on Sanchez - and has regularly bashed Pioli for trading for what he calls "a taller Tyler Thigpen."

He put together this detailed blog post explaining why you don't take an ILB with a Top 5 pick - then was basically forced to mock Curry to us because no one else other than BJ Raji made sense.

**buddha** · 04-27-2009, 10:30 AM

The "taller Tyler Thigpen" comparison is enough to question his cred. That's a stupid comment.

He's ripping the Chiefs because they didn't do what he predicted they would do. He may have thought Sanchez would fit in well in KC, but it's pretty clear for people who actually follow the Chiefs that Sanchez wasn't in the plans here. This was going to be MC's job.

I actually like Sanchez a lot and hope he does well in NY. I also think that Cassell is going to be a very good QB for KC if we can keep him alive for the next season (or two).

htismaqe · 04-27-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Actually, that's not true.

If you've read Walter any significant length of time, you'd know that he had us signed sealed and delivered on Sanchez - and has regularly bashed Pioli for trading for what he calls "a taller Tyler Thigpen."

He put together this detailed blog post explaining why you don't take an ILB with a Top 5 pick - then was basically forced to mock Curry to us because no one else other than BJ Raji made sense.

You're right, my bad.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-27-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're right, my bad.

No big deal.

As you've pointed out, it doesn't matter now anyway.

EyePod · 04-27-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Pretty much...

I don't even think Magee is better than Gilbert my thought is we had the choice and took the wrong one.

I think we went with Magee because he's played both DT and DE. So I figure we are going to run a hybrid, and *hopefully* that experience will be invaluable (this is what I tell myself to sleep at night).

htismaqe · 04-27-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I think we went with Magee because he's played both DT and DE. So I figure we are going to run a hybrid, and *hopefully* that experience will be invaluable (this is what I tell myself to sleep at night).

They also apparently project him to be able to play 2-gap in the future.

Ebolapox · 04-27-2009, 11:08 AM

it's not popular, but I pretty much agree.

go with me here for a moment. there are several points that are irrefutable:

1) if this was a carl peterson draft, we vomit and die of dehydration from the sheer shittiness
2) scott pioli gets slack due to his three rings

look. would it have been nice to trade down? hell yeah. but it didn't happen. does that mean I'm not gonna tweak my madden 10 roster if it comes out for ps2? hell yeah. no cassel for me, thank you.

looking at it from a pick-by-pick basis, we got 'scott pioli' type players. jackson has a chance to be really good. 'tits' magee is a pretty damned good 5-technique and offer versatility. we got a damned good wideout late, and we didn't make the mistake the patriots did, we got out 'developmental' tackle in the fifth as opposed to the second round (which everybody glosses over because it's the pats).

I know little about our new cornerback or kicker. I realize it's cliche--I'll give pioli slack on this one. he's proven to be half of the dynamic duo that built a dynasty in the patriots. was it only him? hell no. it was equal parts brady and belichek. however, he's got a few years before I really get pissed. ****, we already knew we weren't gonna be super-bowl champs this season--this is a foundational year. if these guys are part of the foundation of a possible dynasty, it's mission accomplished. otherwise, we're still in the shitter and pioli will be gone within a few years and we'll rinse/repeat. but to get to the top of the mountain, you have to have a solid set of gear and a sherpa. hopefully pioli is our sherpa, and he's supplied us with the necessary gear. if not, **** it. it's not like we haven't seen failure before.

EyePod · 04-27-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

it's not popular, but I pretty much agree.

go with me here for a moment. there are several points that are irrefutable:

1) if this was a carl peterson draft, we vomit and die of dehydration from the sheer shittiness
2) scott pioli gets slack due to his three rings

look. would it have been nice to trade down? hell yeah. but it didn't happen. does that mean I'm not gonna tweak my madden 10 roster if it comes out for ps2? hell yeah. no cassel for me, thank you.

looking at it from a pick-by-pick basis, we got 'scott pioli' type players. jackson has a chance to be really good. 'tits' magee is a pretty damned good 5-technique and offer versatility. we got a damned good wideout late, and we didn't make the mistake the patriots did, we got out 'developmental' tackle in the fifth as opposed to the second round (which everybody glosses over because it's the pats).

I know little about our new cornerback or kicker. I realize it's cliche--I'll give pioli slack on this one. he's proven to be half of the dynamic duo that built a dynasty in the patriots. was it only him? hell no. it was equal parts brady and belichek. however, he's got a few years before I really get pissed. ****, we already knew we weren't gonna be super-bowl champs this season--this is a foundational year. if these guys are part of the foundation of a possible dynasty, it's mission accomplished. otherwise, we're still in the shitter and pioli will be gone within a few years and we'll rinse/repeat. but to get to the top of the mountain, you have to have a solid set of gear and a sherpa. hopefully pioli is our sherpa, and he's supplied us with the necessary gear. if not, **** it. it's not like we haven't seen failure before.

Right. My Pioli Kool-Aid is half full. If I see no improvement over the season, he might get some thrown in his face...

04-26-2009, 09:03 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2083447	I'll come out and say it: this was a good draft. This draft did not make the most sense out of what we COULD have done. But think of what we accomplished: We drafted the TWO BEST pure 3-4 DEs in the Draft this year. Jackson in particular seems to have a great ceiling, and Magee is the perfect lunchpail guy. Anybody here who realistically thought we were set at CB with Flowers-Carr-Leggett(-Daniels?) is deluding themselves. We were going to need another piece there. Washington was not the BEST choice we could have made, but his pick is not senseless. For a draft that was largely without sizzle, we did make it out of the draft with two potentially exciting skill-position players from the late rounds. A kicker! BARTH VS. SUCCOP, an elite battle of eliteness. Brown and O'Connell didn't make a lick of sense, no defenses there. The positions, outside of QB, that take the longest to develop are DL, WR, and CB. It makes more sense to get those players first when you are building a team. This draft hit those positions first. There are other reasons out there but we will hear them as the thread winds on. Good first draft by Pioli.
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04-27-2009, 09:37 AM	#79
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	I don't have any problem at all with Jackson. A good pick for the new Chief 3-4 system. My problem was with Magee. Dorsey is already slotted to play DE and Jackson certainly is going to be the other DE. So we use a 3rd round pick for a backup DE when we have many other holes to fill. I don't get it. How about a OL or LB with this pick. TE or WR was a huge need as well in my opinion. You go out an make a great trade to get Cassel and then trade his All-PRO TE away. Teams are going to double Bowe all day now and Cassel is going to be running for his life. I totally do not understand making sure Cassel has the weapons to be sucessful. Maybe there is another deal left to be made, but at this point the 3rd round pick really leave Pioli with a blackeye in my opinion.
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04-27-2009, 10:11 AM	#82
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	As Pioli has said over the past week, the Chiefs are just starting to make personnel moves. To look at this draft in a bubble without it being considered in the context of what's coming is a mistake in my opinion. The putrid o-line will be addressed. I'm fairly confident that Pioli has eyes just like we do. So does Haley. When you're trying to rebuild a team that is as bad as KC, it has to happen in stages. I think Pioli is a really bright guy and I'm glad he's working for the team I follow. It's been awhile since I've felt that way about KC's front office.
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04-27-2009, 10:30 AM	#84
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	The "taller Tyler Thigpen" comparison is enough to question his cred. That's a stupid comment. He's ripping the Chiefs because they didn't do what he predicted they would do. He may have thought Sanchez would fit in well in KC, but it's pretty clear for people who actually follow the Chiefs that Sanchez wasn't in the plans here. This was going to be MC's job. I actually like Sanchez a lot and hope he does well in NY. I also think that Cassell is going to be a very good QB for KC if we can keep him alive for the next season (or two).
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04-27-2009, 11:08 AM	#89
Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: como Casino cash: $-1630097	not worth its own thread it's not popular, but I pretty much agree. go with me here for a moment. there are several points that are irrefutable: 1) if this was a carl peterson draft, we vomit and die of dehydration from the sheer shittiness 2) scott pioli gets slack due to his three rings look. would it have been nice to trade down? hell yeah. but it didn't happen. does that mean I'm not gonna tweak my madden 10 roster if it comes out for ps2? hell yeah. no cassel for me, thank you. looking at it from a pick-by-pick basis, we got 'scott pioli' type players. jackson has a chance to be really good. 'tits' magee is a pretty damned good 5-technique and offer versatility. we got a damned good wideout late, and we didn't make the mistake the patriots did, we got out 'developmental' tackle in the fifth as opposed to the second round (which everybody glosses over because it's the pats). I know little about our new cornerback or kicker. I realize it's cliche--I'll give pioli slack on this one. he's proven to be half of the dynamic duo that built a dynasty in the patriots. was it only him? hell no. it was equal parts brady and belichek. however, he's got a few years before I really get pissed. **, we already knew we weren't gonna be super-bowl champs this season--this is a foundational year. if these guys are part of the foundation of a possible dynasty, it's mission accomplished. otherwise, we're still in the shitter and pioli will be gone within a few years and we'll rinse/repeat. but to get to the top of the mountain, you have to have a solid set of gear and a sherpa. hopefully pioli is our sherpa, and he's supplied us with the necessary gear. if not, ** it. it's not like we haven't seen failure before.
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