Our season and future is doomed! OTWP told me so!

[Hootie]

According to our expert OTWP, Tyson Jackson has absolutely no chance to play at a Richard Seymour level, ever, and our 3rd round pick shouldn't even be on an NFL roster...totally wasted pick.

He didn't even charge me $109 for this information...

This sucks, though...I was hoping I could watch them and form my own opinion but he assures me, and the rest of you, that these guys are scrubs and that Pioli still disciplines his children by hitting them, which is wrong.

Tough weekend for Chiefs fans =(

Hasn't Pioli ever thought of a timeout? There are more constructive ways to discipline children...hitting them these days can cause long term emotional damage IMO.

Jeez.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'll tell you what's really wrong with this ****ing place, and that's Demonpenz.

If he'd show up and illustrate more frequently, a lot of these problems could be resolved.

This.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'll tell you what's really wrong with this ****ing place, and that's Demonpenz.

If he'd show up and illustrate more frequently, a lot of these problems could be resolved.

Now that you mention it I haven't read anything from Demon all weekend.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

I couldn't agree any more. His ability to mediate through his art is simply amazing.

Like a cross between Van Gogh and Henry Kissinger.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by RJ

Like a cross between Van Gogh and Henry Kissinger.

Or Big Bird and one of those ****ers from Fragile Rock. Ingenius either way.

[Direckshun]

To be fair to OTW, Mecca, and Hamas, they have been 100% consistent from day one.

But these complaints were coming from them no matter what they did. The second Pioli traded away the 2nd rounder, their opinion of Pioli only came in shades of red.

There is simply nothing the Chiefs could have done with their first two picks that would have improved our front seven MORE than what they did with Jackson and Magee, players that will both start and anchor opposite ends of the DL for as long as they're here. We grabbed the two best pure 3-4 DEs in this draft.

Their counter to that is not disagreement, necessarily, but that instead we should have gone with the "depth" in the draft on offense, especially OL.

That's a fair take, but having warm bodies in our 3-4 DL was necessary, and not only did we get them, we got the best two in the draft.

That's my take. Obviously, it's Pioli's.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Now that you mention it I haven't read anything from Demon all weekend.

He must have taken the gonzo trade hard.
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[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

You know its great...the draftubators don't even have to carry their own crosses anymore for posting their football opinions. Other people do it for them now.

OTWP died for your sins so you could make mock drafts.

Bite me, asswipe. I account for every opinion I have.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

To be fair to OTW, Mecca, and Hamas, they have been 100% consistent from day one.

But these complaints were coming from them no matter what they did. The second Pioli traded away the 2nd rounder, their opinion of Pioli only came in shades of red.

There is simply nothing the Chiefs could have done with their first two picks that would have improved our front seven MORE than what they did with Jackson and Magee, players that will both start and anchor opposite ends of the DL for as long as they're here. We grabbed the two best pure 3-4 DEs in this draft.

Their counter to that is not disagreement, necessarily, but that instead we should have gone with the "depth" in the draft on offense, especially OL.

That's a fair take, but having warm bodies in our 3-4 DL was necessary, and not only did we get them, we got the best two in the draft.

That's my take. Obviously, it's Pioli's.

It wasn't just that it was DL, it was that we might have been able to fill the most important position on the line in a 3-4 with the selection of Raji.

I knew we wouldn't select Curry and that we wouldn't go OT at #3, so I thought Raji was a likely choice, with Crabtree a possibility.

Obviously, Pioli and co. didn't have Raji rated as highly, though, so the positional value argument falls flat...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Obviously, Pioli and co. didn't have Raji rated as highly, though, so the positional value argument falls flat...

I think it was fairly obvious they weren't going to take Raji because he had a ton of question marks about work ethic and character.

People will need to get used to the fact Pioli isn't going to take players that have these kind of issues regardless of talent.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Comical.

Not only have I never uttered the words in the thread title, I never once said that Magee doesn't belong on a NFL roster.

However, IMO (which is the entire point of this place last I checked - people voicing opinions) Jackson will not play to the level of his draft position, which would be equal to or better than Richard Seymour. Apparently Pioli agrees, as several posters have claimed Pioli said he doesn't see Jackson as a Seymour type.

Regarding Magee, I do feel it was a wasted pick - especially when guys like Michael Johnson, Antoine Caldwell, Kraig Urbik, Brandon Tate and Jason Williams were still on the board.

I've posted what I would have done several times, with no response. Not a single person willing to make an argument other than "Pioli is a GM, you're not."

I'll give it one more shot:

1) BJ Raji
3) Jarron Gilbert
4) Lawrence Sidbury
5) Jamon Meridith
6) Matt Slauson
7) AQ Shipley
7) Dannell Ellerbe

That gives us a NT, 5 technique, pass rusher, starting RT, developmental depth at guard, a possible starter at center and a developmental ILB that according to all scouting reports has a very good chance of being a solid starter in this league. And we keep our 2010 7th round pick.

Hell, even if you want to argue that Raji has character issues, put any other player at #3 overall, and keep the rest of my draft. There's value at every pick, and every pick fills a desperate need.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think it was fairly obvious they weren't going to take Raji because he had a ton of question marks about work ethic and character.

People will need to get used to the fact Pioli isn't going to take players that have these kind of issues.

I think the "character" talk is more lip service than anything. This is the same guy who traded for Moss and was part of an organization that was taping other teams. High character moves there.

Saying it sounds nice, though.

Same thing as, "We want strong, fast, tough, intelligent football players." Well no ****ing shit. You don't covet the weak, slow, pussy, stupid ones? Sure glad we're looking past those guys.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think the "character" talk is more lip service than anything. This is the same guy who traded for Moss and was part of an organization that was taping other teams. High character moves there.

Saying it sounds nice, though.

Same thing as, "We want strong, fast, tough, intelligent football players." Well no ****ing shit. You don't covet the weak, slow, pussy, stupid ones? Sure glad we're looking past those guys.

It sounded weird in February, it sounds hollow and absurd today.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think the "character" talk is more lip service than anything. This is the same guy who traded for Moss and was part of an organization that was taping other teams. High character moves there.

Saying it sounds nice, though.

Same thing as, "We want strong, fast, tough, intelligent football players." Well no ****ing shit. You don't covet the weak, slow, pussy, stupid ones? Sure glad we're looking past those guys.

I would tend to agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that they already cut IIRC 3 players because of off the field issues plus they obviously bypassed better players this weekend that had character\work ethic issues.

I was going to amend my last sentence by saying once we get the team up and making the playoffs\sb runs then I would imagine they would take more gambles on players with questionable character issues.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Comical.

Not only have I never uttered the words in the thread title, I never once said that Magee doesn't belong on a NFL roster.

However, IMO (which is the entire point of this place last I checked - people voicing opinions) is that Jackson will not play to the level of his draft position, which would be equal to or better than Richard Seymour. Apparently Pioli agrees, as several posters have claimed Pioli said he doesn't see Jackson as a Seymour type.

I've posted what I would have done several times, with no response. Not a single person willing to make an argument other than "Pioli is a GM, you're not."

I'll give it one more shot:

1) BJ Raji
3) Jarron Gilbert
4) Lawrence Sidbury
5) Jamon Meridith
6) Matt Slauson
7) AQ Shipley
7) Dannell Ellerbe

That gives us a NT, 5 technique, pass rusher, starting RT, developmental depth at guard, a possible starter at center and a developmental ILB that according to all scouting reports has a very good chance of being a solid starter in this league. And we keep our 2010 7th round pick.

Hell, even if you want to argue that Raji has character issues, put any other player at #3 overall, and keep the rest of my draft. There's value at every pick, and every pick fills a desperate need.

I responded to you.

I want no part of BJ Raji at #3 overall.

The rest of the draft really doesn't make much difference to me - every single one of those guys has question marks.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I would tend to agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that they already cut IIRC 3 players because of off the field issues plus they obviously bypassed better players this weekend that had character\work ethic issues.

I was going to amend my last sentence by saying once we get the team up and making the playoffs\sb runs then I would imagine they would take more gambles on players with questionable character issues.

I agree that the fact that they're in the formative stages of building the program does have relevance. This is a solid point.

Once it's up and running, though, all bets are off.

But if I never hear that "big, tough, fast, etc." line used again, either by someone in the organization or by a poster on here (who is not mocking it, obviously!), I'll be happy.