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Old 07-15-2009, 11:56 AM  
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:30 PM   #31
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Why would they do that?

RB's are a premium in leagues... QB's as well, but no way do you score them closely...
Depends on your league's scoring... fantasy football scoring is much more dynamic than it was 10 or even 4 years ago.
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:30 PM   #32
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Rivers has been THE Starter for 3 seasons (he had 2 game starts each in 2004 and 2005 with really nothing productive).

Based on the 3 full seasons though (2006, 2007, 2008), the Chargers are 33-15 in the regular season and 3-3 in the playoffs.

In 2008, the Chargers had just over 1700 yds rushing as a team with 13 TDs... Rivers was forced to make the most passing attempts so far in his career and he did well, topping 4k yards and more than 30 TDs for the first time.

That being said... the team was 8-8.

In 2006 and 2007, the Chargers won 25 games (14 & 11 win seasons) and lost 7.

In those years, LT alone accounted for 1800 and 1400 yard rushing efforts with another 508 and 475 yards receiving. So, 2300 and nearly 1900 combined yards from just LT in those 14 and 11 win seasons.

Let's not forget that in each of those seasons, when LT was going berzerk, they had an additional 700 yards rushing from other players!

So, sure... Rivers played outstanding in 2008 when they needed him to carry the load offensively. But, let's not call him Peyton Manning just yet.
Stats are not the end all be all when it comes to QB play, and Rivers is emerging as a tough, gritty leader for that team.

I wouldn't take him before Peyton Manning..........yet.
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:31 PM   #33
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I hear ya... and this is the beauty of sports debates. Some of your commentary has made it appear that SD's success has been thanks to Rivers. My point is that they've had amazing production from the RBs, specifically LT and the defense has been very good... it's not quite all because of Rivers.

His TD/INT ration in 2006 & 2007 was 22/9 and 21/15 ... part of that is they system they ran, but he did explode in 2008 when they couldn't lean on LT and the RBs.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 2009.
I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:32 PM   #34
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Yeah, because pointing out one of Rivers' weakness means you were actually watching Thigpen. Jesus Christ.
I bet JC wouldnt over throw the out patterns...
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:32 PM   #35
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I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.
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I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.
The question is, if Croyle is your starter, would they have won as many games with Volek?
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:36 PM   #38
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The question is, if Croyle is your starter, would they have won as many games with Volek?
I doubt it...

I was one of the biggest Croyle homers on the board, but had to come to the realization that the dude is a glass doll, destined for a insurance job/high school coaching job or an AFL Job... IF the AFL ever comes back...

But then again, SD had and NFL quality line, something Herm failed at assembling here in KC... So who knows...
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I get what you are saying, but lets say the Chargers QB for those last couple years was someone like....Doug Flutie or Brodie Croyle....I don't think they would have won as many games.
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Stats are not the end all be all when it comes to QB play, and Rivers is emerging as a tough, gritty leader for that team.

I wouldn't take him before Peyton Manning..........yet.
Again, this is the beauty of the sports debate, especially with individual players in a sport like football.

Stats, one way or another are used to define a player's greatness.

In 2008 and to a degree now, people would point to Cutler's W/L record (17-20 and no playoffs) and say "who cares about how many yards or TDs he throws, he can't win".

Prior to Cutler, people would say "Phhhtt, who cares if Denver is 39 and 15 with Plummer as a QB, with 3 double digit win seasons in a row... he has 47 INTs during that time and is 1-3 in the playoffs".

Orton has a winning record of 21-12 as a starter and has better talent now than he did in Chicago... but, everyone says he will suck.

It's a crazy li'l thing called sports debate... and most people use what best helps their argument at that time.
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Why would they do that?

RB's are a premium in leagues... QB's as well, but no way do you score them closely...
BS, everyone just thinks that way because of old school FF standards when they first started playing.. It gimps a portion of the league and makes it who ever gets the certain stud player have an advantage..

I run a league, getting ready to expand into another one because people like it that scores the elite WR/QB/RB about evenly.. The owners love it because it keeps the competition up there and the fact that you want to build a complete team.. Not just land the two best RB's in FF..
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Again, this is the beauty of the sports debate, especially with individual players in a sport like football.

Stats, one way or another are used to define a player's greatness.

In 2008 and to a degree now, people would point to Cutler's W/L record (17-20 and no playoffs) and say "who cares about how many yards or TDs he throws, he can't win".

Prior to Cutler, people would say "Phhhtt, who cares if Denver is 39 and 15 with Plummer as a QB, with 3 double digit win seasons in a row... he has 47 INTs during that time and is 1-3 in the playoffs".

Orton has a winning record of 21-12 as a starter and has better talent now than he did in Chicago... but, everyone says he will suck.

It's a crazy li'l thing called sports debate... and most people use what best helps their argument at that time.
That's why you have to watch games.
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BS, everyone just thinks that way because of old school FF standards when they first started playing.. It gimps a portion of the league and makes it who ever gets the certain stud player have an advantage..

I run a league, getting ready to expand into another one because people like it that scores the elite WR/QB/RB about evenly.. The owners love it because it keeps the competition up there and the fact that you want to build a complete team.. Not just land the two best RB's in FF..
Yep... I'm in a number of leagues, but no longer join leagues that have standard scoring (no PPR, penalites for turnovers, IDP, flex, etc). I hate the generic serpentine draft and generic lineup.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely has its place and is likely still the format for 70% of the leagues out there... but, I need more in my league. I have 1 league that has been around for 12 years that we're slowly tweaking as other owners get more comfortable with new ideas.
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BS, everyone just thinks that way because of old school FF standards when they first started playing.. It gimps a portion of the league and makes it who ever gets the certain stud player have an advantage..

I run a league, getting ready to expand into another one because people like it that scores the elite WR/QB/RB about evenly.. The owners love it because it keeps the competition up there and the fact that you want to build a complete team.. Not just land the two best RB's in FF..
Here is the scoring for the league I run....

Offense League Value
Passing Yards 25 yards per point
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -2
Sacks -1
Rushing Yards 10 yards per point
Rushing Touchdowns 6
Reception Yards 15 yards per point
Reception Touchdowns 6
Return Yards 10 yards per point
Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 4
Fumbles -1
Fumbles Lost -2
Offensive Fumble Return TD 6

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Field Goals 0-19 Yards 2
Field Goals 20-29 Yards 3
Field Goals 30-39 Yards 4
Field Goals 40-49 Yards 5
Field Goals 50+ Yards 6
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards -1
Point After Attempt Made 1
Point After Attempt Missed -1

Defense/Special Teams
Sack 2
Interception 4
Fumble Recovery 3
Touchdown 6
Safety 5
Block Kick 3
Points Allowed 0 points 14
Points Allowed 1-6 points 10
Points Allowed 7-13 points 7
Points Allowed 14-20 points 3
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0
Points Allowed 28-34 points -1
Points Allowed 35+ points -4
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Yep... I'm in a number of leagues, but no longer join leagues that have standard scoring (no PPR, penalites for turnovers, IDP, flex, etc). I hate the generic serpentine draft and generic lineup.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely has its place and is likely still the format for 70% of the leagues out there... but, I need more in my league. I have 1 league that has been around for 12 years that we're slowly tweaking as other owners get more comfortable with new ideas.
What kind of lineups do you like?
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Yep... I'm in a number of leagues, but no longer join leagues that have standard scoring (no PPR, penalites for turnovers, IDP, flex, etc). I hate the generic serpentine draft and generic lineup.

Don't get me wrong, it definitely has its place and is likely still the format for 70% of the leagues out there... but, I need more in my league. I have 1 league that has been around for 12 years that we're slowly tweaking as other owners get more comfortable with new ideas.
Each year we tweak our league... we started this league in 2003 and every year we make it better and better...

Its a family league, keeps everyone interested all year long...
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