Chiefs Jared Allen & Tony G trade results

harpes · 09-30-2009, 08:04 PM

Just wondering where the rest of the planet is standing on the grade we can give for the Allen and TG trade now that it has been a little while. I know Allens numbers have been down a little but it still looks like he is making the big plays and TG is still the best. So how do you grade the trades now and would we be much better if it never happened.

**HemiEd** · 09-30-2009, 08:08 PM

I didn't like either trade, especially the JA trade. But if things don't change, 2 of the recent 2nd round picks were just cut with NO compensation.

Here is to hoping that trend is over.

Deberg_1990 · 09-30-2009, 08:09 PM

Well, would still have only won 2 games last year and be 0-3 this year, so no effect.

Chiefnj2 · 09-30-2009, 08:10 PM

You never trade away your young franchise QB, DE or LOT. The Allen trade was stupid from the day Peterson refused to give him an extension. Security for future DUI's could have been built in just like Minnesota did.

TG's value will depend on who the Chiefs get with his draft pick.

**HemiEd** · 09-30-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Well, would still have only won 2 games last year and be 0-3 this year, so no effect.

Are you ****ing serious? Especially this year I think the Chiefs would be 2-1 with just Tony, let alone both of them.

Last year, who cares, Herm would have ****ed it up with JA.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-30-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Are you ****ing serious? Especially this year I think the Chiefs would be 2-1 with just Tony, let alone both of them.

Last year, who cares, Herm would have ****ed it up with JA.

We were 2-14 with TG last season. We may have beaten Oakland with both.

**Skip Towne** · 09-30-2009, 08:20 PM

I feel much like I did when the Kansas City A's traded Roger Maris to the Yankees.

RedThat · 09-30-2009, 08:22 PM

Clearly I think the Chiefs would be better. Possibly 6-10? 7-9? I still think they would be a losing team because they got holes everywhere on the roster.

But what can they do? both JA and TG wanted to leave and I don't blame them.

JA makes a huge difference. Gives the Chiefs a passrush which we all know they don't have. Passrushers make a world of a differnce he was an impact player and helped the pass defense.

TG gives the QB another receiver threat. Take him away and the passing game has one less threat and becomes less effective. Put him in there he draws double teams that simple. He opens up the passing game.

What makes me question is how would the Chiefs be if they kept JA, and actually stuck with the 4-3? How would they be if kept JA drafted Dorsey and used him the way he was used in college?

How would they be if the used Herb Taylor at LT, whom in my opinion showed something. Stuck with him, coached him and developed him. i just say this because had they not traded JA they would not have drafted Albert. So someone would have to play LT and my guess would be Taylor. I think if all this were to happen, they would have less positions to address.

ForeverChiefs58 · 09-30-2009, 08:22 PM

Both trades get a big fat F grade for FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-30-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

Clearly I think the Chiefs would be better. Possibly 6-10? 7-9? I still think they would be a losing team because they got holes everywhere on the roster.

Weren't the Chiefs 4-12 2 seasons ago with BOTH on the roster?

Fritz88 · 09-30-2009, 08:33 PM

JA trade =F

TG trade = remains to be seen. I like it so far.

**notorious** · 09-30-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Weren't the Chiefs 4-12 2 seasons ago with BOTH on the roster?

Let's not let the facts get in the way.

RedThat · 09-30-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Weren't the Chiefs 4-12 2 seasons ago with BOTH on the roster?

Yeah but that doesn't mean that they couldn't go 6-10 w/ them.

**luv** · 09-30-2009, 08:34 PM

A defense is more than just one player. An offense is more than just one player.

Our offense was depending way too heavily on TG. Yeah, we would have won more games, but would we have really been better off?

I think the worse trade of the two is DEFINITELY JA.

rad · 09-30-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You never trade away your young franchise QB, DE or LOT. The Allen trade was stupid from the day Peterson refused to give him an extension. Security for future DUI's could have been built in just like Minnesota did.

TG's value will depend on who the Chiefs get with his draft pick.

Allen said he would not sign a contract with a clause like that in it here. He just did not want to play here, period.

09-30-2009, 08:04 PM
harpes Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Baxter Springs Ks Casino cash: $10004900	Jared Allen & Tony G trade results Just wondering where the rest of the planet is standing on the grade we can give for the Allen and TG trade now that it has been a little while. I know Allens numbers have been down a little but it still looks like he is making the big plays and TG is still the best. So how do you grade the trades now and would we be much better if it never happened.
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09-30-2009, 08:09 PM	#3
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6664388	You never trade away your young franchise QB, DE or LOT. The Allen trade was stupid from the day Peterson refused to give him an extension. Security for future DUI's could have been built in just like Minnesota did. TG's value will depend on who the Chiefs get with his draft pick. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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09-30-2009, 08:22 PM	#8
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Clearly I think the Chiefs would be better. Possibly 6-10? 7-9? I still think they would be a losing team because they got holes everywhere on the roster. But what can they do? both JA and TG wanted to leave and I don't blame them. JA makes a huge difference. Gives the Chiefs a passrush which we all know they don't have. Passrushers make a world of a differnce he was an impact player and helped the pass defense. TG gives the QB another receiver threat. Take him away and the passing game has one less threat and becomes less effective. Put him in there he draws double teams that simple. He opens up the passing game. What makes me question is how would the Chiefs be if they kept JA, and actually stuck with the 4-3? How would they be if kept JA drafted Dorsey and used him the way he was used in college? How would they be if the used Herb Taylor at LT, whom in my opinion showed something. Stuck with him, coached him and developed him. i just say this because had they not traded JA they would not have drafted Albert. So someone would have to play LT and my guess would be Taylor. I think if all this were to happen, they would have less positions to address.
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09-30-2009, 08:22 PM	#9
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $765326	Both trades get a big fat F grade for FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09-30-2009, 08:34 PM	#14
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1200000	A defense is more than just one player. An offense is more than just one player. Our offense was depending way too heavily on TG. Yeah, we would have won more games, but would we have really been better off? I think the worse trade of the two is DEFINITELY JA.
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