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Old 10-30-2009, 11:01 AM  
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Texans fans seem to be falling in love with Pollard.
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:28 AM   #181
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remember when I talked to you a couple weeks ago about thinking objectively about these players? The next week you came in firing bullets at LJ and Cassel, I couldnt believe it. It's time to do the same with Pollard, buddy.
Hey, I have ALWAYS been objective with Bernard Pollard. He was NOT a good player in Kansas City. He had the lowest stop rate against the run of any KC starter last year. He had a SHITTY 08, had a garbage preseason, and cutting him was ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do.

You cannot stick with a guy who has a history of being a lousy tackler and then does nothing to prove otherwise. The cut was justified.

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if a team cuts their rushing yardage allowed over a stretch of 4 games by 75% and drops their yard/carry by two whole yards, you have to credit the catalyst.
The catalyst may or may not be BP. Looking at stats doesn't even begin to tell the whole story here.

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Sorry man, but I think you may have had another swing and miss here.
Whatever. The Chiefs didn't have him playing Cover 2 this preseason and he was still missing tackles.

I didn't swing and miss on anything in regards to Pollard while he was a Chief. He DESERVED to get dumped.
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:43 AM   #182
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The catalyst may or may not be BP. Looking at stats doesn't even begin to tell the whole story here.
Im not just going off the stats. I am going off the opinion of pretty much every fan that posted in the thread I started.

the stats are nice and undeniable by themselves, that he has made a huge difference. The fans comments about the nuances they point out are reason to believe he was a huge reason for the drastic change.

time will tell if he/they keep it up.
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:48 AM   #183
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Im not just going off the stats. I am going off the opinion of pretty much every fan that posted in the thread I started.
A lot of Chiefs fans thought Pollard was a good player, too. Didn't make them right.
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:12 AM   #184
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A lot of Chiefs fans thought Pollard was a good player, too. Didn't make them right.
example to make a point:

if we were to start Cox at hb with Savage at fullback, would you judge Coxs play by his averages and rushing touchdowns and issue a blanket statement that he sucked, or that he was playing out of position and in a situation where he couldn't succeed?

no that would be dumb as hell right. He had no chance to succeed in that situation. That goes on the coaches, not the player.

Pollard playing cover two safety behind a NFL Historically poor front seven is no different of a comparison.

He is showing the results of what happens when he is used properly by the coaching staff.

Thank GOD the three stooges are gone. (Gunther, CP, Herm)
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:18 AM   #185
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Pollard playing cover two safety behind a NFL Historically poor front seven is no different of a comparison.
I think it's a rotten comparison to be frank.

Good defenders make tackles in the open field. Pollard failed at it.

Doesn't matter what his responsibilities were.
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I think it's a rotten comparison to be frank.

Good defenders make tackles in the open field. Pollard failed at it.

Doesn't matter what his responsibilities were.
I also firmly believe you don't jettison defensive players unless you feel you can be much better without them.

Going against this line of thinking is what got us in this mess int the first place.

Jared
Tank
Pollard
Jimmy W
Fox
Kawika
Fujita
Holliday
Sims
Sapp
McBride

If we still had all these players and had traded LJ for the two firsts GB had on the table and we would be a much better team right now.

Too bad the line of thinking you are using with Pollard is what ran those guys out of town. All of those guys have weaknesses that the teams coached through and made them productive players.

Add that list of players to this defense tomorrow and we would likely end up in the top half of the league in team defense and scoring defense.
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Pollard playing cover two safety behind a NFL Historically poor front seven is no different of a comparison.
I think it's a rotten comparison to be frank.

Good defenders make tackles in the open field. Pollard failed at it.

Doesn't matter what his responsibilities were.
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:54 AM   #188
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I think it's a rotten comparison to be frank.

Good defenders make tackles in the open field. Pollard failed at it.

Doesn't matter what his responsibilities were.
Nobody is saying the guy was Shawn Taylor, I mean Taylor mays! <-----see how I did that?


...or Ed Reed, I mean Eric Berry! <------------yup....AGAIN!!


It was an exaggeration to make a point, not meant to be a dead on comparison.
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Old 10-31-2009, 07:53 AM   #189
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Pollard is aobviously an asset to the texans ,so why wasn't he one with us. For the same reason Mike Brown = Fail. Pollard had talent that was not utilized correctly here.

It's our coaching that should have been cut, Not Bernard Pollard. As I've said before, cutting BP was stupid.

If they let Derrick Johnson go because of they're "right 53 " bullshit, I think I'll be done as a fan until Haley and his reeruns are gone.

I would really love to see Cowher come in .
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Pollard is aobviously an asset to the texans ,so why wasn't he one with us. For the same reason Mike Brown = Fail. Pollard had talent that was not utilized correctly here.

It's our coaching that should have been cut, Not Bernard Pollard. As I've said before, cutting BP was stupid.

If they let Derrick Johnson go because of they're "right 53 " bullshit, I think I'll be done as a fan until Haley and his reeruns are gone.

I would really love to see Cowher come in .
And do what? Make funny faces on the sidelines and yell at people? Cowher wont be anything after his stint with Pittsburg, he was a product of the organization...

Cowhard can go to Carolina....
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Pollard is aobviously an asset to the texans ,so why wasn't he one with us. For the same reason Mike Brown = Fail. Pollard had talent that was not utilized correctly here.

It's our coaching that should have been cut, Not Bernard Pollard. As I've said before, cutting BP was stupid.

If they let Derrick Johnson go because of they're "right 53 " bullshit, I think I'll be done as a fan until Haley and his reeruns are gone.

I would really love to see Cowher come in .
Hell no to Cowher.
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Hell no to Cowher.
This....

Get someone from a Football family tree, not Martys little bush...
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Cowher would give us a defense. Who else would you want ? Shanahan, Gruden ?
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Jarrad Page isn't any good either, those 2 safeties got so much hype when in reality, neither one is very good.
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Cowher would give us a defense. Who else would you want ? Shanahan, Gruden ?
it takes balance to win in the NFL.....


but then again, Cowher might just piss the whole fanbase off and draft a franchise QB...

That meltdown that would ensure here because he drafted one would be worth it....

I would love to see the suicide rate of planteers if that happened.... It would be EPIC!
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