A few Chiefs' draft questions

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Oh, I think he can definitely be a very good player. We're FAR from being able to call him a bust.

But the question is whether he's a player worthy of being the #3 overall pick.

Again, one has to ask, if you are going to transition to a 34, and take a 5 tech DE with a top 5 pick, would a better plan hae been to transition over a period of time, focus O-Line in the last draft and take Suh in the next draft?

I think Jackson is going to be a good 5 tech, but Suh looks like he could well be that rare dominating 5 tech.

But I have to say, at the same time, I just couldn't get behind taking Curry top 5 either.

So what do we do?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by milkman

Again, one has to ask, if you are going to transition to a 34, and take a 5 tech DE with a top 5 pick, would a better plan hae been to transition over a period of time, focus O-Line in the last draft and take Suh in the next draft?

I think Jackson is going to be a good 5 tech, but Suh looks like he could well be that rare dominating 5 tech.

But I have to say, at the same time, I just couldn't get behind taking Curry top 5 either.

So what do we do?

Suh does look like a freak.

Regarding last year:

1. Pioli better have thought Raji was a worthless sack of shit.
2. Better plan would have been to have tried to get an impact player, WR, CB, something (not even touching the QB discussion).
3. If I'm acquiring a win-now QB, I'm probably not trading Gonzo. His value toward Cassel's development could be worth well more than a late 2nd rounder.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Suh does look like a freak.

Regarding last year:

1. Pioli better have thought Raji was a worthless sack of shit.
2. Better plan would have been to have tried to get an impact player, WR, CB, something (not even touching the QB discussion).
3. If I'm acquiring a win-now QB, I'm probably not trading Gonzo. His value toward Cassel's development could be worth well more than a late 2nd rounder.

I think now, though I admit I didn't at the time of the draft, I would have taken Moreno to give Cassel a weapon to wiork with out of the backfiled.

I'm not big on taking RBs in the first round, but I do think, and have thought for some time, that Moreno has the tools to be a special talent in the Thurmon Thomas mode.

The fact is though, that I really had no idea who would have any real value at that pick.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think now, though I admit I didn't at the time of the draft, I would have taken Moreno to give Cassel a weapon to wiork with out of the backfiled.

I'm not big on taking RBs in the first round, but I do think, and have thought for some time, that Moreno has the tools to be a special talent in the Thurmon Thomas mode.

The fact is though, that I really had no idea who would have any real value at that pick.

if we ever take a RB in the first round again, then just shoot me in the ****ing head, because i want a player thats gonna be there for 10-12 years and not 5

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

if we ever take a RB in the first round again, then just shoot me in the ****ing head, because i want a player thats gonna be there for 10-12 years and not 5

Depending upon the roster and how close the team is to making a run at the SB, I'm taking AP, pardon the pun, all day.

Barry Sanders? Done. And I don't really give a **** what the team looks like.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

if we ever take a RB in the first round again, then just shoot me in the ****ing head, because i want a player thats gonna be there for 10-12 years and not 5

Small shifty backs that give you 250-300 carries a season, and are weapons as receivers out of the backfield, who don't take a lot of hits head on, generally give you 9-10 good years.

[BossChief]

[QUOTE=milkman;6224424]I think now, though I admit I didn't at the time of the draft, I would have taken Moreno to give Cassel a weapon to wiork with out of the backfiled.

I'm not big on taking RBs in the first round, but I do think, and have thought for some time, that Moreno has the tools to be a special talent in the Thurmon Thomas mode.

The fact is though, that I really had no idea who would have any real value at that pick.[/QUOTE]

all the otackles had concerns, BJ is an idiot, Crabtree is a adolecent and Curry isnt a pass rusher. Jackson had no negatives except he may not develop into a dominating elite style player, but might have added value to Dorseys play.

Jackson wasnt as bad a pick as he is made out to be.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

all the otackles had concerns, BJ is an idiot, Crabtree is a adolecent and Curry isnt a pass rusher. Jackson had no negatives except he may not develop into a dominating elite style player, but might have added value to Dorseys play.

Jackson wasnt as bad a pick as he is made out to be.

Let's take a look at last year's draft, and sub Moreno in for Jackson.

In the third round we take Antione Caldwell, 4th, Jonathan Luigs, 5th Johnny Knox.

Follow that up this next draft, we take Suh in the first, Jerry Hughes and Ciron Black in the second, Boo Robinson in the third and Brandon Lang in the fourth.

How would that look going forward?

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by milkman

Let's take a look at last year's draft, and sub Moreno in for Jackson.

In the third round we take Antione Caldwell, 4th, Jonathan Luigs, 5th Johnny Knox.

Follow that up this next draft, we take Suh in the first, Jerry Hughes and Ciron Black in the second, Boo Robinson in the third and Brandon Lang in the fourth.

How would that look going forward?

Shit yeah. I was the only person on the board talking that guy up last year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Suh does look like a freak.

Regarding last year:

1. Pioli better have thought Raji was a worthless sack of shit.
2. Better plan would have been to have tried to get an impact player, WR, CB, something (not even touching the QB discussion).
3. If I'm acquiring a win-now QB, I'm probably not trading Gonzo. His value toward Cassel's development could be worth well more than a late 2nd rounder.

I personally believe that 5-techniques are far more impactful on the team than a WR or CB. You can bypass average CB play with a great pass rush (see Pittsburgh). And I can think of a handful of receivers who are pure difference makers. You can live without stellar WRs or CBs. You absolutely cannot survive in a 3-4 without really good players up front.

Raji is the only guy I would have considered (I'm staying out of the QBs discussion).

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

Again, one has to ask, if you are going to transition to a 34, and take a 5 tech DE with a top 5 pick, would a better plan hae been to transition over a period of time, focus O-Line in the last draft and take Suh in the next draft?

I think Jackson is going to be a good 5 tech, but Suh looks like he could well be that rare dominating 5 tech.

But I have to say, at the same time, I just couldn't get behind taking Curry top 5 either.

So what do we do?

when we make the playoff run in a couple years, it would be very nice to have a Bruce Smith/Reggie White clone such as Suh, wouldnt it?