Chiefs A few Chiefs' draft questions - Page 2

chiefzilla1501 · 11-01-2009, 10:15 AM

-I just realized that one major mistake people are making is assuming that the Chiefs are going to have a top 5 pick. I think it's very possible that Tampa, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Tennessee could pick higher than us. If that's the case, Berry and Suh are taken off the board. Is Cody a bad pick in this case? I actually think he'd be a great pick if those guys are off the board.
-If the Chiefs end up at #5 or #6, do you entertain a trade down? I think the Chiefs could trade down and still get Mays or Cody. And these two draft slots are attractive enough to trade out of
-If Berry and Suh are off the board, is there a player that teams would actually trade up for? I don't want Bradford at all, but is he a player teams would trade up for? What about Dunlap out of Florida?
-If Jimmy Claussen declares (which I don't think he will), is he worth the pick? My opinion--I would even trade up and take him. I think this kid is going to be the best QB prospect in years.
-If Jake Locker declares, is he worth a look? He looks like he'll be a real good QB, but I can't help but think he's going to be Brady Quinn or maybe a less mobile, slightly more accurate version of Cassel

**Rain Man** · 11-01-2009, 10:53 AM

I'd like to see us get Suh, and then sign Ray Lewis, me, Brett Favre, Chris Long, and Terrell Owens as free agents, so with Dorsey we could have Dor, Ray, me, Fahv-re, Suh, Long, T.O.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11-01-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm pretty sure that Path mean't mid to late first round pick.

I'm also fairly certain that you probably knew that's what he mean't as well.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He was referring to mid-late first round.

This.

**DeezNutz** · 11-01-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'd like to see us get Suh, and then sign Ray Lewis, me, Brett Favre, Chris Long, and Terrell Owens as free agents, so with Dorsey we could have Dor, Ray, me, Fahv-re, Suh, Long, T.O.

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Nice. And actually a more competent off-season plan than what Scott Oedipus orchestrated this past year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-01-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Are you trying to imply that Tyson Jackson was rated as a mid to late round pick?

Intellectual dishonesty, FTL.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Mid? Yes, because he was.

Unless we really care what the dumbass in Cleveland was going to do, but...we might, since he has connections to NE.

if cleveland didnt take him, Mike Singletary said on NFLN on may 6, when he was a guest, that they wanted TJ...

Thats if he also got past GB.

I think alot of people will be posting Tysons name on the "I was wrong about..." thread by the middle of next year.

**DeezNutz** · 11-01-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

if cleveland didnt take him, Mike Singletary said on NFLN on may 6, when he was a guest, that they wanted TJ...

Thats if he also got past GB.

I think alot of people will be posting Tysons name on the "I was wrong about..." thread by the middle of next year.

Oh, I think he can definitely be a very good player. We're FAR from being able to call him a bust.

But the question is whether he's a player worthy of being the #3 overall pick.

KChiefs1 · 11-01-2009, 11:07 AM

If the Chiefs don't have a top 5 pick then it's probably easier to trade down to get more picks...I'm hoping the QB class is stellar next year & everyone wants to move up to get one.

milkman · 11-01-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Oh, I think he can definitely be a very good player. We're FAR from being able to call him a bust.

But the question is whether he's a player worthy of being the #3 overall pick.

Again, one has to ask, if you are going to transition to a 34, and take a 5 tech DE with a top 5 pick, would a better plan hae been to transition over a period of time, focus O-Line in the last draft and take Suh in the next draft?

I think Jackson is going to be a good 5 tech, but Suh looks like he could well be that rare dominating 5 tech.

But I have to say, at the same time, I just couldn't get behind taking Curry top 5 either.

So what do we do?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-01-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Oh, I think he can definitely be a very good player. We're FAR from being able to call him a bust.

But the question is whether he's a player worthy of being the #3 overall pick.

But you have to grade on a curve.

Last year's draft class was very low on talent. It's not as much about taking Jackson #3 overall as much as it is... who else should they have taken?

The only two answers at the time were Raji and Sanchez. Raji hasn't shown anything yet and whether you agree with the move or not, Sanchez was off the table the minute they traded for Cassel.

He was a bit of a reach, but I still think it was one of the best moves they could have made given the circumstances.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No implication necessary.

Until Rick Gosselin's mock came out late Friday night, no one had Jackson going any earlier than 12-14, and several had him going as late as 20.

Once Gosselin's mock came out, everyone jumped on board.

the mock I found Seymour going highest in was 16 by Kiper back in 2001, take it for what its worth.

Where was Mario Williams supposed to go?

Truth is we are in our houses when these guys are interviewing him and watching all game tape as well as going to the combine and his pro day and private workouts.

I hope these guys we brought in to make these decisions know what they are doing this time...

Mr. Laz · 11-01-2009, 11:13 AM

you guys really think a Safety in gonna go top 3?

i seriously doubt it unless there is a new CBA that has a new draft slotting provision.

**DeezNutz** · 11-01-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Again, one has to ask, if you are going to transition to a 34, and take a 5 tech DE with a top 5 pick, would a better plan hae been to transition over a period of time, focus O-Line in the last draft and take Suh in the next draft?

I think Jackson is going to be a good 5 tech, but Suh looks like he could well be that rare dominating 5 tech.

But I have to say, at the same time, I just couldn't get behind taking Curry top 5 either.

So what do we do?

Suh does look like a freak.

Regarding last year:

1. Pioli better have thought Raji was a worthless sack of shit.
2. Better plan would have been to have tried to get an impact player, WR, CB, something (not even touching the QB discussion).
3. If I'm acquiring a win-now QB, I'm probably not trading Gonzo. His value toward Cassel's development could be worth well more than a late 2nd rounder.

**DeezNutz** · 11-01-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

the mock I found Seymour going highest in was 16 by Kiper back in 2001, take it for what its worth.

Where was Mario Williams supposed to go?

Truth is we are in our houses when these guys are interviewing him and watching all game tape as well as going to the combine and his pro day and private workouts.

I hope these guys we brought in to make these decisions know what they are doing this time...

#2 overall.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-01-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

If the Chiefs don't have a top 5 pick then it's probably easier to trade down to get more picks...I'm hoping the QB class is stellar next year & everyone wants to move up to get one.

I agree with you. It's very possible the Chiefs fall into that trade zone. If Jake Locker declares and pending the draft value of Bradford (who many are projecting could still go in the top 10, regardless of injury status), the Chiefs might have some bargaining chips for a trade down.

ThunderChief · 11-01-2009, 11:16 AM

There are, arguably, about 3-4 OTs with first round grades thus far for the 2010 draft. That status can, and usually does, change as the players go through the process of evaluation in terms of body of work, Combine, and personal workouts. Whatever.

If that number stays close to accurate, I say trade down, but select one of those LTs and shore up the Oline. Find out, for example, if Albert is better suited at his college position of OG or could be get the job done at RT? At any rate, this front office cannot again ignore the most glaring weakness on the team.

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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1615503	A few Chiefs' draft questions -I just realized that one major mistake people are making is assuming that the Chiefs are going to have a top 5 pick. I think it's very possible that Tampa, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Tennessee could pick higher than us. If that's the case, Berry and Suh are taken off the board. Is Cody a bad pick in this case? I actually think he'd be a great pick if those guys are off the board. -If the Chiefs end up at #5 or #6, do you entertain a trade down? I think the Chiefs could trade down and still get Mays or Cody. And these two draft slots are attractive enough to trade out of -If Berry and Suh are off the board, is there a player that teams would actually trade up for? I don't want Bradford at all, but is he a player teams would trade up for? What about Dunlap out of Florida? -If Jimmy Claussen declares (which I don't think he will), is he worth the pick? My opinion--I would even trade up and take him. I think this kid is going to be the best QB prospect in years. -If Jake Locker declares, is he worth a look? He looks like he'll be a real good QB, but I can't help but think he's going to be Brady Quinn or maybe a less mobile, slightly more accurate version of Cassel
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ThunderChief Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: N Florida Casino cash: $10004900	There are, arguably, about 3-4 OTs with first round grades thus far for the 2010 draft. That status can, and usually does, change as the players go through the process of evaluation in terms of body of work, Combine, and personal workouts. Whatever. If that number stays close to accurate, I say trade down, but select one of those LTs and shore up the Oline. Find out, for example, if Albert is better suited at his college position of OG or could be get the job done at RT? At any rate, this front office cannot again ignore the most glaring weakness on the team.
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