Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 18

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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**Tribal Warfare** · 11-11-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I'm not debating Andre Johnson's talent, he is arguablly the best receiver in the NFL. I'm tired of hearing how Bowe isn't. He is a damn fine WR our best since Otis Taylor.

The player Bowe is the most comparable to is Sterling Sharpe.

**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

The player Bowe is the most comparable to is Sterling Sharpe.

ummmm we'll just have t see on that one. That's a hefty claim.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-11-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

ummmm we'll just have t see on that one. That's a hefty claim.

If Bowe can live up to his potential that's who he is going to play like.

**pr_capone** · 11-11-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If Bowe can live up to his potential that's who he is going to play like.

So he will play for 6 seasons and do very well until he gets his neck snapped?

**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If Bowe can live up to his potential that's who he is going to play like.

I agree, but he needs to learn to beat press coverage against an opponents #1 cover man and to get consistent separation before he can do that. He benefited the last couple years from Tony taking the top cover man from the opposing teams, Chambers should help his progression in that respect.

Bowe will never have Brett Favre throwing him the ball either, he will have a QB that doesn't have a great deep ball so he may not have the kinda yardage SS had or his average.

**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

So he will play for 6 seasons and do very well until he gets his neck snapped?

I was gonna say something similar. You know like Sylvester Morris similar.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-11-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

, he will have a QB that doesn't have a great deep ball so he may not have the kinda yardage SS had or his average.

If Croyle gets a second chance that could change, because Cassel is leaving that door open for individuals to question his ability.

**BossChief** · 11-11-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If Croyle gets a second chance that could change, because Cassel is leaving that door open for individuals to question his ability.

not.

gonna.

happen.

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-11-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

not.

gonna.

happen.

Never say never stranger shit has happened in the NFL.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-11-2009, 10:52 PM

I actually think Bowe profiles to be Michael Irvin without a crack habit.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-11-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Never say never stranger shit has happened in the NFL.

It ain't gonna happen with Ari Fleischer as GM

**Tribal Warfare** · 11-11-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I actually think Bowe profiles to be Michael Irvin without a crack habit.

Irvin is more of a lanky build of being all arms and legs, the cat was 6'3" but was built like someone who was 6'6". Which is why he was a master of the jump ball.

Pioli Zombie · 11-11-2009, 10:58 PM

Iff Brodee Croil were qb the Cheeifs wood be 12-4 cuz he so good.
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**BigMeatballDave** · 11-11-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Brandon Carr sucks anyways

Dumbass...

ChiefsCountry · 11-11-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I actually think Bowe profiles to be Michael Irvin without a crack habit.

And I thought Sanchez reminded me a ton of Troy Aikman. **** me.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Iff Brodee Croil were qb the Cheeifs wood be 12-4 cuz he so good. Posted via Mobile Device
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