NFL Draft The Chiefs are now about 8th in draft order. What if the safeties are off the board? - Page 6

Direckshun · 11-23-2009, 02:54 PM

There are more than two teams who need safety ahead of us, and you know the Raiders are going to go for Mays.

So... in the likely event that, at 8, the Chiefs cannot get Berry or Mays, who do you go for?

Also likely off the board by #8: Suh, Okung, and a couple QBs that we're not going to want anyway.

I ask because I really don't like our non-safety options in the Top 10.

Carlos Dunlap or Gerald McCoy for DE?

Reach for Terrance Cody?

Bruce Campbell for RT?

Joe Haden or Donovan Warren opposite Flowers?

Damien Williams or Dez Bryant opposite Bowe?

You'd have to guess Pioli would go defensive line, given these options. I'm guessing a reach for Cody or a more value-oriented pick for Dunlap or McCoy would be most likely.

Hard to say no to Bryant opposite Bowe, however.

DrRyan · 11-23-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

I'm going to have to do some homework for this....

...

Here you go, two of the five O lines you mentioned. If you would like to see the results of the other three teams, do the work yourself.

NY Giants:
Diehl 5th round
Seubert Free agent
O'Hara Free agent
Snee 2nd round
MeKenzie 3rd round

Vikings:
McKinnie 1st round
Hutchinson 1st round, but drafted by Seattle
Sullivan 6th round
Herrera Free agent
Loadholt 2nd round

As you can see, only one player of the ten was drafted in the first round by the team they currently play for. The point is, putting together a great offensive line does not mean spending tons of first round picks on that position. Especially in a single draft.

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

If this is your definition of what you need in a 1st round pick, then there's a guy that fits the bill to a 'T' that is not getting any hype on this board.

C.J. Spiller

Not sure how well he would pair up with Charles since they are similar (although Charles is not as good), but Spiller is the type of playmaker that has a chance to take it to the house every time he touches it. He's Percy Harvin at RB.

On this note, I will pass on taking a RB in the first round unless he is AP, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton caliber and an every down back. Or, if you are drafting for a already very solid team and are taking the BPA late in the first round. Just look at how many quality backs there are in the league right now that were drafted rounds 3-5. No need to spend a high pick on a RB, especially one that is very similar to Charles. Draft RBs late, run them until their rookie contract expires, let them walk and keep drafting younger backs. Had Carl done this, we would not have had the headache known as LJ on our hands and would have been a better team spending that money elsewhere. Anywhere else you can think of that money may have been better spent?

**AustinChief** · 11-23-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

Very good. Now, tell me how many first round offensive linemen each of those O lines have.

Giants= no 1st round and one hi 2nd
5 U U hi2 3

Cowboys = two 1st and two hi 2nd
hi2 7 hi2 1 1

Vikings = two 1st
1 1 6 U 2

Saints (anomaly) = no 1st one hi 2nd
4 5 5 4 hi2

Ravens = two 1st
5 1 6 2 1

SOOOO it looks like it pays to have two 1st rounders and at least one high 2nd on your oline.. not saying you have to draft them to get them though....

chiefzilla1501 · 11-23-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

I'm not saying we couldn't use a safety but we can't go another year with the Swiss Cheese O-Line we have. Cassell will be dead by game 6.
Need protection, need to open holes, need to stop getting a million penalties.
That is priority #1

I think we can get a good safety via trade or free agency.

While true, you can find the top Guards and Centers on the board in the early second. And you can still get a starting Guard/Center in the 3rd even the 4th round. It's an important position. But it's an easy position to draft for. Same goes with Right Tackle even. If you upgrade 2-3 linemen through the later rounds, that will go really far for improving our o-line. And you don't have to waste a first rounder on a lineman you don't need.

As for safety, you need a playmaker there. Troy Polamalu is arguably the most important player on the Steelers' defense. The defense doesn't look the same when he's not in the lineup.

KCrockaholic · 11-23-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

While true, one of his coaches said "I'd take him with the #1 overall pick this year if I had it" That just seems to be saying he's gone to me.

Yeah, him and Monte are best friends, which is surprising considering their age difference. I guess its like a father-son friendship. But you better believe Monte will be pulling for Berry to stay at Tennessee, or else that college has nothing left to be proud of. Lane Kiffin is making them more of a joke than they already were. Berry is a guy who has his head on his shoulders correctly unlike some young athletes that come into the NFL these days. Berry will make the best choice for himself, but I just hate to get into these topics when Berry hasn't even announced that he will be going pro yet. I hope he does, but I am not going to get my hopes up and then have to wait another year and then not have a shot at him at all.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-23-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Giants= no 1st round and one hi 2nd
5 U U hi2 3

Cowboys = two 1st and two hi 2nd
hi2 7 hi2 1 1

Vikings = two 1st
1 1 6 U 2

Saints (anomaly) = no 1st one hi 2nd
4 5 5 4 hi2

Ravens = two 1st
5 1 6 2 1

SOOOO it looks like it pays to have two 1st rounders and at least one high 2nd on your oline.. not saying you have to draft them to get them though....

One of the Cowboy's 1st rounders you're counting is Leonard Davis who was a BUST at tackle in Arizona and has salvaged his career in Dallas at guard.

scho63 · 11-23-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

Very good. Now, tell me how many first round offensive linemen each of those O lines have.

The list of O-Lineman (Guards, Centers, Tackles) taken in the first round that are still playing and impact players is pretty impressive...

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...ence=any&type=

Mr. Laz · 11-23-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

$500 says our 1st pick is OL. It's a lock.

i don't think so

iirc Pioli didn't draft Oline very high in New England ... Mankins is the only one i can think of

**AustinChief** · 11-23-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

One of the Cowboy's 1st rounders you're counting is Leonard Davis who was a BUST at tackle in Arizona and has salvaged his career in Dallas at guard.

As i said, didn't say we had to DRAFT them, just said the data seems to support that having 2 or 3 high 2nd or 1st rounders pays obvious dividends (well duh.)

CaliforniaChief · 11-23-2009, 07:33 PM

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scho63 · 11-23-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

One of the Cowboy's 1st rounders you're counting is Leonard Davis who was a BUST at tackle in Arizona and has salvaged his career in Dallas at guard.

If you look at those 5 teams, they had quite a few #1's that just retired in the last year or so. May be cyclical for them. Flozell Adams was a 2nd round pick but was Dallas' first pick in the draft

bowener · 11-23-2009, 07:35 PM

Honestly, I think Al Davis would draft Dunlap over Mays.

**SAUTO** · 11-23-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

One of the Cowboy's 1st rounders you're counting is Leonard Davis who was a BUST at tackle in Arizona and has salvaged his career in Dallas at guard.

What does that have to do with anything? he was a 1st round pick

RUSH · 11-23-2009, 07:37 PM

I'd have to say Hughes or McClain. Hughes is not being talked about much now, but I do think he is going to shoot up boards big time once the whole draft process starts. I've tried to catch every game that TCU plays on TV and he has yet to disappoint. He does it all and is not a guy who just gets by on athleticism, even though he probably could. He has legit pass rush moves and goes 100% every play. Prototypical 3-4 OLB and a top 10 pick IMO.

1a) Hughes
1b) McClain

KCrockaholic · 11-23-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

Honestly, I think Al Davis would draft Dunlap over Mays.

Yeah I would be surprised to see Oakland draft a safety. Michael Huff is begining to turn it around a little bit, and they have more glaring needs than safety. I don't see it happening at all.

**AustinChief** · 11-23-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSH

I'd have to say Hughes or McClain. Hughes is not being talked about much now, but I do think he is going to shoot up boards big time once the whole draft process starts. I've tried to catch every game that TCU plays on TV and he has yet to disappoint. He does it all and is not a guy who just gets by on athleticism, even though he probably could. He has legit pass rush moves and goes 100% every play. Prototypical 3-4 OLB and a top 10 pick IMO.

1a) Hughes
1b) McClain

Hughes and Graham are my favs right now for 3-4 OLBs .. Though Texas has some interesting prospects in both Kindle and Muckelroy. Not sure Muckelroy is big enough though.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2043447	The Chiefs are now about 8th in draft order. What if the safeties are off the board? There are more than two teams who need safety ahead of us, and you know the Raiders are going to go for Mays. So... in the likely event that, at 8, the Chiefs cannot get Berry or Mays, who do you go for? Also likely off the board by #8: Suh, Okung, and a couple QBs that we're not going to want anyway. I ask because I really don't like our non-safety options in the Top 10. Carlos Dunlap or Gerald McCoy for DE? Reach for Terrance Cody? Bruce Campbell for RT? Joe Haden or Donovan Warren opposite Flowers? Damien Williams or Dez Bryant opposite Bowe? You'd have to guess Pioli would go defensive line, given these options. I'm guessing a reach for Cody or a more value-oriented pick for Dunlap or McCoy would be most likely. Hard to say no to Bryant opposite Bowe, however.
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RUSH Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NY Casino cash: $10004905	I'd have to say Hughes or McClain. Hughes is not being talked about much now, but I do think he is going to shoot up boards big time once the whole draft process starts. I've tried to catch every game that TCU plays on TV and he has yet to disappoint. He does it all and is not a guy who just gets by on athleticism, even though he probably could. He has legit pass rush moves and goes 100% every play. Prototypical 3-4 OLB and a top 10 pick IMO. 1a) Hughes 1b) McClain
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