Peter King: The Chiefs will never take a safety that high

[dirk digler]

I hope that ****nut is wrong but I am sure I will be disappointed if Berry is there and they pass unless they decide to draft Clausen.

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I noticed last night SI's Peter King was tweeting up a storm at his Twitter account about all things football for a few hours. One very interesting observation came out of him that I think would surprise a lot of us here.
Someone suggested the Chiefs trade with the Dolphins, who are in need of a playmaking safety. King, who agreed with a Miami/Kansas City trade scenario, had this to say:

"And KC would never take [safety] that high."

Now, King's one of the best in the business when it comes to sports reporting, especially the NFL and that sounds like a pretty definitive statement.

With that said, I see his logic. Scott Pioli has always struck me as a guy who's more likely to build from the inside out meaning the focus is on the offensive and defensive lines.

Just something to keep in mind as we inch toward April.

[nychief]

Originally Posted by Dayze

'boom' factor.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by nychief

that is a myopic view of the game and the especially line play... feels to me that half the people bitching about drafting lineman on this board do so because they are ignorant, they just clamor to see guys with the ball in their hands.... look i get it... Spiller, Clausen or Berry would be more "exciting," but having watched good teams I can say this... playmakers don't make plays without good lines... period. "playmaking" safeties and linebackers don't cause chaos without clogging linemen, running backs and quarterbacks don't make plays without protection. it's not sexy, but it's the game. having watched this team the last four seasons, i can't believe anybody thinks we are in good shape line wise.

And has been pointed out ad nauseum, the better teams around the league build their offensive lines with later draft picks.

[suds79]

Well even if we do pass on Berry, I'm pretty sure that Clausen will be there and I think the possibility of trading down certainly is feasible.

I'd still like us to take Berry at 5 but I won't cry if it doesn't happen. I'll only be really upset if we take a freaking LT with that pick.

It's just wrong on so many levels.

- We need help at Center & RG. Not LT.
- People just assume that this new guy will play LT better than Brandon and that Brandon will pay LG better than Waters, etc. It's shuffling around the entire O-line.
- And we would then have a #15 (if I remember right) overall pick playing Guard. A position that is routinely filled with mid to late picks by good teams. It's a last resort. That folks means he's a bust.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by nychief

that is a myopic view of the game and the especially line play... feels to me that half the people bitching about drafting lineman on this board do so because they are ignorant, they just clamor to see guys with the ball in their hands.... look i get it... Spiller, Clausen or Berry would be more "exciting," but having watched good teams I can say this... playmakers don't make plays without good lines... period. "playmaking" safeties and linebackers don't cause chaos without clogging linemen, running backs and quarterbacks don't make plays without protection. it's not sexy, but it's the game. having watched this team the last four seasons, i can't believe anybody thinks we are in good shape line wise.

I don't think we're in good shape. but that doesn't mean I want to spend a top 5 pick on OL. We definitely need OL/DL, but not that hight IMO.

Indy & New Orelans had 1 offensive lineman drafted in the 1st if I recall. combined.

[Saccopoo]

Tamba Hali was also a rush defensive end for the 4-3 that led the country in sacks coming out of college. He's led the NFL in forced fumbles for the past four seasons. He's led the Chiefs in sacks the past two seasons.

Playmaker.

You whiny bitches have been getting playmakers damn near every ****ing draft.

However, the "True Fans" have been getting screwed. ONE offensive lineman picked in the first three rounds over the last TEN years. ONE.

And when someone mentions that we won't draft a safety with a top five pick - that's right A SAFETY WITH A TOP FIVE PICK, which is bordering on stupid insane, you have a conniption saying we've never picked "playmakers" and it's always been "true fan" drafts. We'll, I'll tell you straight up, with the exception of Carl's penchant for draft defensive tackles that never pan out, he primarily focused on WR, RB, CB, S, DE for the high picks. There's your playmakers at playmaker positions. If they actually built from the inside out, like smart teams do, we would have been a lot better off. However, Carl had to placate his inner Drafturbator, and kept drafting "playmakers" in the top three rounds every single year. That's how you destroy/ruin a franchise, and it's easily proven by looking at the stupid teams that did that every single year such as the Chiefs and the Lions.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by nychief

what's so funny?

you laugh, but that's what I say when I'm wathcing TV and something big happens in a game.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Yes. I fear this greatly. We'll win just enough that fans will pile back on the wagon and cling to hope. Cassel will likely only allow us to be mediocre at best, but it will be enough to garner idiot fan support. Experienced fans who have dealt with this shit for years will be frustrated and appear to be hateful and bitter to the otherwise encouraged Truefans™. They'll hang on to Cassel as long as possible, because next year is all we'll need to get the missing pieces to get us over the top. Only next year we'll need another imaginary piece of the puzzle, and the cycle will start over. This will continue on and on. And there goes another decade of shit.

It's sad when you can see the writing on the wall and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Dayze

I would say Charles and Flowers might be. FLowers, certainly, is looking like he can.

The others, I would say no. But, don't get me wong - just because i don't think they're playmakers doesn't mean I don't think they're good players.
The only person listed above that I think could go to a playoff caliber team and still play at a exceptional level is probably Flowers. Perhaps Dorsey in the right scheme.

Bowe, Johnson,....would be role players on most other teams.

Charles...I'm not sure yet. I like him; he has the potential to have the 'boom' factor.

Oh, so they have to pan out as playmakers versus being drafted at a playmaking position and without regard to their playmaking status in the college ranks. So if Berry ends up busting, in two years, he won't be a playmaker by your concept, correct?

[Archie Bunker]

I remember back when we were stuck in our 7-9, 10-6 decade long rut I would dream of the day when the Chiefs would bottom out, get some top 10 talent at the skill positions and finally have a nucleus to build around. Now I'm finally here and I get to sit back and watch us pass on a franshise QBs, Reed-type safeties, etc for 3-4 ends and right tackles.

Maybe I should just watch the draft from the 2nd round on and try to save my sanity.

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Oh, so they have to pan out as playmakers versus being drafted at a playmaking position and without regard to their playmaking status in the college ranks. So if Berry ends up busting, in two years, he won't be a playmaker by your concept, correct?

Correct.he will be a bust who was originally labled as a playmaker.

no one can gaurantee what they're going to get.
but if you never draft someone with that potential/label as a playmaker, you'll never get it.

we've drafted for it, and whiffed thanks to our stellar scouting department.
not just in terms of identifying potential playmakers, but every other position on the field - regardless of where they were drafted.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

He's led the Chiefs in sacks the past two seasons.

Pretty much says it all right there.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

However, the "True Fans" have been getting screwed. ONE offensive lineman picked in the first three rounds over the last TEN years. ONE.

Yes. We spent that 1 pick on a LT and he's coming into his 3rd year. So lets not give up on him just because he had bad moments at LT last year.

That's how it's done. You spend the $ and high pick on a LT, the rest of the scrubs can be filled out later in the draft. They're so much lower in importance.

It's not like I'm anti O-line. I just don't understand why we can't address those interior positions (the biggest problem last year) later on. Like in the 3rd as you suggested. Just don't do it with our top pick at a position that we might be okay at.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Brock

And has been pointed out ad nauseum, the better teams around the league build their offensive lines with later draft picks.

What do you think of the Jets? Did they do okay last year? Do you think that they have a good team with Super Bowl potential?

And as has been pointed out damn near ad nausem, there are actually five positions on the offensive line. They all don't need to be first round picks. In the heyday of the Chief's offensive explosion of the early 2000's, they only had two first round draft picks on the offensive line. How many do we currently have? And of those current first round picks on the Chiefs offensive line, how many were picked by Herm? (Because, Brock, if you can use that excuse for the defensive or "playmaking" positions, it certainly can apply to Herm/Carl taking a college guard in the first round and projecting him to LT in the pros also as an excuse.)

However, to remind you, we have TWO first round picks on our defensive line. We have TWO first round picks at the linebacker position.

[Red Beans]

*Sigh* I liked Peter King until today. Not for saying something that doesn't sound like it could fundamentally happen, but for most likely being right. Damn you Peter King for throwing what very well could be the truth back in my face.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

However, to remind you, we have TWO first round picks on our defensive line. We have TWO first round picks at the linebacker position.

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