Peter King: The Chiefs will never take a safety that high

[dirk digler]

I hope that ****nut is wrong but I am sure I will be disappointed if Berry is there and they pass unless they decide to draft Clausen.

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I noticed last night SI's Peter King was tweeting up a storm at his Twitter account about all things football for a few hours. One very interesting observation came out of him that I think would surprise a lot of us here.
Someone suggested the Chiefs trade with the Dolphins, who are in need of a playmaking safety. King, who agreed with a Miami/Kansas City trade scenario, had this to say:

"And KC would never take [safety] that high."

Now, King's one of the best in the business when it comes to sports reporting, especially the NFL and that sounds like a pretty definitive statement.

With that said, I see his logic. Scott Pioli has always struck me as a guy who's more likely to build from the inside out meaning the focus is on the offensive and defensive lines.

Just something to keep in mind as we inch toward April.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by milkman

That's reaching.

I don't see why. The Chiefs have a much bigger need at linebacker, too....the more I think about it, the more it feels like something he's gonna do. The defense isn't gonna work without linebackers. And right now they have jack shit at ILB.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Seriously??

You would rather a linebacker than Claussen, Okung or Berry??

No. I'm leaning towards Pioli drafting a linebacker. But if you put a gun to my head I'd take McClain over Okung, sure.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

im really not up on how all the positions grade out...

But it all depends on how deep this draft is at certain positions.

For instance, is Okung really that much better than a 2nd or 3rd round guy? Is Berry? Is Claussen? If not, then yea, i would pass and try and drop down if possible.

If im a GM and felt that one of them was a "special" talent, then no..you shouldnt pass on guys like that.

IMO, there are three elite talents in this draft.

Suh, G McCoy, and Berry.

Of those three, only one makes any sense for the Chiefs.

Berry.

IMO, also, I don't think that Okung is as good as the top 4 LT prospects in last year's draft.

He, in any other draft, would be a low first rounder at best.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I don't see why. The Chiefs have a much bigger need at linebacker, too....the more I think about it, the more it feels like something he's gonna do. The defense isn't gonna work without linebackers. And right now they have jack shit at ILB.

Frankly, I've reached the conclusion that I'd rather see him reach for Dan Williams than McClain.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by milkman

IMO, there are three elite talents in this draft.

Suh, G McCoy, and Berry.

Of those three, only one makes any sense for the Chiefs.

Berry.

IMO, also, I don't think that Okung is as good as the top 4 LT prospects in last year's draft.

He, in any other draft, would be a high first rounder at best.

Well then, since your probably more educated on it than me, i hope Pioli feels the same if one of those guys are available when we pick.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by nychief

that is a myopic view of the game and the especially line play... feels to me that half the people bitching about drafting lineman on this board do so because they are ignorant, they just clamor to see guys with the ball in their hands.... look i get it... Spiller, Clausen or Berry would be more "exciting," but having watched good teams I can say this... playmakers don't make plays without good lines... period. "playmaking" safeties and linebackers don't cause chaos without clogging linemen, running backs and quarterbacks don't make plays without protection. it's not sexy, but it's the game. having watched this team the last four seasons, i can't believe anybody thinks we are in good shape line wise.

Thank you. We won 6 games in 2 years. That's a team that needs help from the QB to the waterboy. Just pick the best player available and worry about filling in the holes next year.

[MahiMike]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Tamba Hali was also a rush defensive end for the 4-3 that led the country in sacks coming out of college. He's led the NFL in forced fumbles for the past four seasons. He's led the Chiefs in sacks the past two seasons.

Playmaker.

You whiny bitches have been getting playmakers damn near every ****ing draft.

However, the "True Fans" have been getting screwed. ONE offensive lineman picked in the first three rounds over the last TEN years. ONE.

And when someone mentions that we won't draft a safety with a top five pick - that's right A SAFETY WITH A TOP FIVE PICK, which is bordering on stupid insane, you have a conniption saying we've never picked "playmakers" and it's always been "true fan" drafts. We'll, I'll tell you straight up, with the exception of Carl's penchant for draft defensive tackles that never pan out, he primarily focused on WR, RB, CB, S, DE for the high picks. There's your playmakers at playmaker positions. If they actually built from the inside out, like smart teams do, we would have been a lot better off. However, Carl had to placate his inner Drafturbator, and kept drafting "playmakers" in the top three rounds every single year. That's how you destroy/ruin a franchise, and it's easily proven by looking at the stupid teams that did that every single year such as the Chiefs and the Lions.

Go get em Poo! rep.

[Ralphy Boy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The issue here is that you are personally having a hard time believing that Pioli would pass on Berry. I've told you the same thing, yet you've tried to make a Federal Case as to why Pioli would take him.

Now Peter King comes along and agrees with my take from last week.

Pioli will pass on Berry.

I've hardly tried to make a "Federal Case" that Pioli would draft Berry. Fact is I think he could take him, but I've said before that I think he'll draft Dan Williams, even if he stays at 5. I won't like it and hopefully he'll trade down if thats the direction he intends to go.

I've made a Federal Case out of his draft history with offensive linemen because I am dumbfounded at the national media and every mock draft suggesting we'll draft Okung or Bulaga when Pioli has only EVER drafted one offensive linemen in the first round and it was the 32nd pick, yet the media suggests that he will as if he has done it repeatedly.

Sure he could take one at 5, but his history hasn't shown that he would and his history has shown that he has spent a higher draft pick on a safety.

Prior to 2007 his history also never showed that he had drafted a safety in the first, until he took Merriweather at 24, so my argument is that he is just as likely to take a safety as he is a o-linemen. Simple as that.

King didn't say "I've talked to Scott Pioli before and he told me that he would never draft a safety in the top 10, regardless of how talented they are". He's making an assumption that is just as worthless as mine or yours.

[booger]

@stmillr crennel ran the DB workout.
17 minutes ago via UberTwitter in reply to stmillr

si's jim trotter on berry's workout
http://twitter.com/SI_JimTrotter

[booger]

Eric says he stepped in what felt like a hole in the field. Felt a tingle in his toe. KC D-coord told him to shut it down and get it checked
24 minutes ago via UberTwitter

[Fish]

Great.... Berry breaks an ankle just working out for the Chiefs....

**** it all................................

[Ralphy Boy]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

(BTW, Pioli has historically favored defense in the first round.)

This is as much the point, as anything, that I've always tried to make regarding his draft history when people say that he'll draft Okung.

He's drafted 1 offensive linemen in the first round, between KC & NE, compared to 4 defensive linemen.

1 RB, 2 TE, 1 G = 4 total
1 LB, 1 DB, 4 D-line = 6 total

I think that he'd love to trade down to #7 and take Dan Williams. Yes, most "experts" don't have him rated that high but Pioli could give two shits about that.

Potential landing spots for Williams, as far as a 3-4 NT, are 7, 9, 11 & 12.
Cleveland and Denver have old men, with varying degrees of injury histories, manning the spot and Miami & Buffalo don't really have anyone worth noting.

My opinion hasn't really changed (though maybe it should) on Williams since we signed Shaun Smith because I don't see him as the answer, but it could be that he is looked at by Romeo & Pioli as a definite upgrade to Edwards. Maybe his signing makes them feel like they have options in the first and I hope that is the case because I would much rather have Berry at 5 than Williams at 7.

[booger]

March 17, 2010 From Joe Fortenbaugh and Wes Bunting:

Virginia Tech safety Kam Chancellor had a private workout with coaches from the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday, according to a league source.


AP
Kam Chancellor
The 6’3”, 226-pound safety recorded 65 tackles (24 solo) and two interceptions for the 10-3 Hokies in 2009. Chancellor racked up 204 tackles and six interceptions during his four-year career at Virginia Tech.

In addition to yesterday's session with the Chiefs, Chancellor is scheduled to work out for the New England Patriots on March 26.

When ranking priorities, addressing the secondary has to be near the top of the list for a Chiefs team that has lost 12 or more games in each of the past three years.

In addition, Kansas City has ranked 22nd or worse in passing defense and 28th or worse in scoring defense in each of the past two seasons.

Let’s turn to NFP Director of College Scouting Wes Bunting for the lowdown on Chancellor:

Chancellor is a physical, downhill safety who takes good angles toward the ball and consistently closes on the play. He has an intimidating presence in the secondary and displays the power to disengage the ball from his man on contact. He generates good power and speed in pursuit and wraps up well on contact. He isn't fluid in his drop and looks stiff when asked to open up his hips and cover ground downfield. He is more of a straight-line athlete who struggles to quickly redirect out of his breaks and can be targeted when left alone in space downfield. He has a tendency to stop moving his feet on play fakes and lacks the range to make up for a false step. ??

But he's patient in zone coverage and does a good job diagnosing pass plays and using the sideline as an extra defender. Overall, he's good looking athlete with natural pop and good straight-line speed for his size. But he struggles to change directions and allows receivers too often to get behind him. Chancellor doesn't look like a guy who has the fluidity and range to play in an NFL secondary, but he could make it as an in-the-box type of safety. ??

Grade: 5.8
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...he-Chiefs.html

also a reminder as far as Chancellor goes, Crennel coached the east team with Chancellor on it in the East/west shrine game

[booger]

Was interesting how quickly Tampa and Washington scouts followed Berry to the training room, where they waited outside.
about 1 hours ago via UberTwitter

Eric's agent says he has a slight sprain of his left big toe: "Very, very minor"
about 1 hours ago via UberTwitter


If Pioli won't take him that high its obvious someone will, whether trade up or whatever

[SDChiefs]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

This type of logic is beyond annoying.

When did the Chiefs offense begin to nose dive? During the 2006 offseason when Willie Roaf retired and the Chiefs failed to have an adequate replacement plan in place.

Even with the signings of Lilja and Weigmann, the Chiefs have dire needs at both tackle positions and no long term solutions in place for Waters and Weigmann who are both, at their respective ages playing on borrowed time.

The Chiefs have tried the method of rebuilding the offensive line through lower round draft picks, cheap veteran free agents and undrafted free agents that your logic is apparently suggesting. It has been a FAILURE. See Will Svitek, See Kyle Turley, See Adrian Jones, See Barry Richardson, See Rudy Niswanger... FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE.

Why not FINALLY address the need for a franchise caliber left tackle that can anchor the line for the next 10 years?

Um, because they already did, 2 years ago. Do we need to draft a franchise LT every 2 years in the first round to stay competitive?