Ted Ginn on the block

[The Bad Guy]

I think he would fit extremely nicely as a slot receiver/KR/PR. I imagine the Tuna would require a 4th or maybe even 2 of our 5ths. Would you pull the trigger?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Essentially, yes.

Especially if the salary cap never comes back.

Any time you have a shot to get some productivity and a guy with upside (Ginn) for a 5th round pick...you take it.

Are you kidding me?

Or many we can draft Larry Brackins, Adam Kieft or Drew Hodgdon!

And there's the rub.

Some people think Ginn has upside. Some don't.

This isn't about the compensation.

[Hootie]

The equivalent to your chances of a 5th round pick being a productive, impact NFL player:

Flip a quarter 10 times in a row...call heads or tails and get it right every single time.

DRAFTURBATORS....WHERE 5TH ROUND PICKS ARE BETTER THAN TED GINN JR!

Yeah, he's a bust...but he has a ton of upside, speed and is a better returner, by far, than anything we have...if we could get him for 1 5th round pick, it's a steal.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_nfl_draft#Round_five

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_nfl_draft#Round_five

2005 and 2006...one pro bowler...90% awful players.

And these drafturbators will lead you to believe that 5th round picks are GOLDEN.

Hey, I said that Pioli should have given up a 5th round pick for Holmes in a ****ing heartbeat. No questions asked.

But Ted Ginn? Nope.

The value has been set. Marshall went for two second rounds, Holmes for a fifth, Boldin for a third and a five. There's no way Ted Ginn is worth a 2010 fifth rounder.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

In what world AREN'T seventh round picks important?

In 10 years the Chiefs have found exactly one marginally significant starter in the 7th round: Jarrad Page.

The Indianapolis Colts, the best drafting team in the league, have found exactly ONE: Rick DeMulling.

The odds of actually hitting on a seventh-round pick are so astronomical that giving up one for a guy with elite speed who has shown an ability to be a solid kick returner is worth the "risk."

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, and there it is: The "you don't work in the NFL" bullshit.

Hey Mic, why don't you do us all a favor and go **** yourself?

Thanks.

This is where these discussions always end.
You're at the end of your intellectual wick so you roll out the "go **** yourself" fare. You have as much fight in you as a 7-year old girl.

Here's a thought though...
If you'd spend less time putting on an air of superiority around here...
You'd probably wouldn't have to worry about getting backed into a corner.

Ultimately, you're a fan like the rest of us.
The sooner you realize that...the better.

Some know the game. Some don't. Some know it better than others.
I'll admit there are those here who trump my knowledge.
You.are.not.one.of.those.people.

[Hootie]

His problem is the drops...

Plain and simple.

Is that something that can be fixed?

Who knows?

But to say he even remotely compares to the Urbans/Coppers/Wades/Toomers/Engrams/Longs...is insane.

The dude get in Parcells' doghouse for continuous dropped passes...can that be fixed? If it can, he could be an elite NFL WR...

If not, he can still be a top tier return guy...

And if that's not worth a 5th round pick, you guys are nuts!

Seriously...

Go look at the 5th round from 2003-2006 (where you can actually judge the players)...

I don't care how "deep" this draft might look to you people...5th round picks are BASICALLY worthless...finding that all-pro 5th rounder is less common than finding an all-pro undrafted free agent.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Hey, I said that Pioli should have given up a 5th round pick for Holmes in a ****ing heartbeat. No questions asked.

But Ted Ginn? Nope.

The value has been set. Marshall went for two second rounds, Holmes for a fifth, Boldin for a third and a five. There's no way Ted Ginn is worth a 2010 fifth rounder.

Well no one wanted Holmes because he is a flat out thug. You're not getting true value for a guy who was given away.

I think Ted Ginn has 4th round value to a LOT of teams...

I mean...

This is the NFL. Character IS a red flag.

Randy Moss was traded for a 4th to the same team that traded for an unproven slot guy (Welker) for a 2nd and a 7th.

It happens.

[Bill Lundberg]

Originally Posted by nychief

Look, I don't want to give up much for Ginn... but, this is a reeruned post. So EVERY 7th is a Colston and every 6th is Brady...

Jesus, between the people clamoring to hoard picks and the people deriding the picks we haven't even made yet...this place is skitzo

That post if said aloud had a smartass ring to it. Try it. Read it out loud in a smartass voice.

[Hootie]

Seriously...

Undrafted free agents (and I know there are way more of these guys than 5th-7th round picks) have a way better track record than anything from the 5th-7th rounds.

Basically...after the 4th round...the whole draft is just taking your favorite undrafted free agents and hoping for the best.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Micjones

Some know the game. Some don't. Some know it better than others.
I'll admit there are those here who trump my knowledge.
You.are.not.one.of.those.people.

You live in a strange, strange world because quite honestly, you don't know jack ****ing shit about personnel or the game and you are consistently wrong in your analysis.

Don't believe me? Start a poll, Dickweed.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

His problem is the drops...

Plain and simple.

Is that something that can be fixed?

Who knows?

But to say he even remotely compares to the Urbans/Coppers/Wades/Toomers/Engrams/Longs...is insane.

The dude get in Parcells' doghouse for continuous dropped passes...can that be fixed? If it can, he could be an elite NFL WR...

If not, he can still be a top tier return guy...

And if that's not worth a 5th round pick, you guys are nuts!

Seriously...

Go look at the 5th round from 2003-2006 (where you can actually judge the players)...

I don't care how "deep" this draft might look to you people...5th round picks are BASICALLY worthless...finding that all-pro 5th rounder is less common than finding an all-pro undrafted free agent.

I seriously doubt his drop issues can be fixed this late in his career. Furthermore, this draft is very deep and there should absolutely be players available in the 5th that play 50 snaps a game, not 7-10.

Great teams aren't necessarily comprised of Pro Bowl players at every position, so that argument is lame.

[Hootie]

I'm just wondering how many years it will take before the trendy drafturbators (and this is a recent development) realize how unimportant late round picks really are.

Last year I think Hamas and Mecca may have shed tears of anger after we traded a 2010 7th to get back into the 2009 7th round to take Jake O'Connell...

Like we were trading a $20 bill for a $0.50 piece.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Well no one wanted Holmes because he is a flat out thug. You're not getting true value for a guy who was given away.

I think Ted Ginn has 4th round value to a LOT of teams...

I mean...

This is the NFL. Character IS a red flag.

Randy Moss was traded for a 4th to the same team that traded for an unproven slot guy (Welker) for a 2nd and a 7th.

It happens.

They're looking for a 5th, so the idea of a 4th is incorrect.

I think they'll be lucky to get a 7th but you never know, someone might overpay. I just hope it's not the Chiefs.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Great teams aren't necessarily comprised of Pro Bowl players at every position, so that argument is lame.

Sure...

But go through some of those 5th rounds and show me how many are even decent complementary players for the teams that selected them...

[Titty Meat]

MicJones said Urban would be a slot guy and catch seven touchdowns. Nuff said