Chiefs Is this team going to be the 2002 Chiefs?

bobbything · 08-07-2010, 01:01 PM

Listening to Bill Maas the other day, he went on and on about how good this offense is going to be, and how terrible the defense is. It got me thinking, this team seems to be eerily similar to the early years DV teams...

In 01, the team wasn't particularly good. We traded for Trent Green, who had a pretty horrible year. The defense sucked and the offense was pretty average. But, Priest Holmes emerged late and became the go-to guy.

The following year, the offense took a huge leap. Holmes and Green were both great, and we picked up castoff Kennison, who resurrected his career with KC. The defense still sucked and we finished 8-8.

Last year, we paid an arm and a leg for Cassel who wasn't very good. Charles emerged late as the go-to guy. We picked up castoff Chambers who looks to be resurrecting his career. And all reports out of camp are that the offense looks very, very potent, and our defense sucks.

There seem to be lots of similarities between these two teams. 8-8 again, and essentially a mirror of the 2002 season?

Silock · 08-07-2010, 01:09 PM

I don't know that the defense is going to be THAT bad, and I don't know that the offense will be that good, either.

Seems as if they will be pretty balanced, but still pretty bad.

bobbything · 08-07-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

Seems as if they will be pretty balanced, but still pretty bad.

I dunno. Maas was saying that this offense is going to be really, really good. But, who knows...

Red Brooklyn · 08-07-2010, 01:15 PM

I hate sounding like a champion of mediocrity, I could live with 8-8 this season.

Coogs · 08-07-2010, 01:19 PM

I think it is going to be closer to the 1989 Chiefs that Mass played on. 4-11-1 in 1988. Went 8-7-1 in 1989 in Marty's first year, and just missed out on the playoffs.

TEX · 08-07-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

I don't know that the defense is going to be THAT bad, and I don't know that the offense will be that good, either.

Seems as if they will be pretty balanced, but still pretty bad.

I think the defense will be THAT bad. Where's the improvement going to come from? Front 7 is still one of the worst in football. We have a decent Secondary,and a very good DC, but he can't play - players play. The Chiefs just don't have the talent on defense...

Marcellus · 08-07-2010, 01:27 PM

If the offense is that good I will shit. If the defense is as bad as the 2002 team, I will shit.

ChiefsCountry · 08-07-2010, 01:29 PM

Matt Cassel isnt Trent Green so that shoots down that theory.
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Chiefaholic · 08-07-2010, 01:54 PM

Trent had an incredible offensive line that gave him a TON of time to find the open receiver and open up gaping holes for Holmes to run through. I agree that we have more playmakers, but the game starts in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

Coogs · 08-07-2010, 01:59 PM

1989 Chiefs featured a strong running a strong running game, and DeBerg using the play action pass based off of the running game. The play action pass appears to be Cassels strength as well based off of the last few games of this past season.

Quesadilla Joe · 08-07-2010, 02:11 PM

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Matt Cassel isnt Trent Green so that shoots down that theory.
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And Jamal Charles isn't Priest Holmes, Tim Castille isn't Tony Richardson, Brandon Albert isn't Willie Roaf, Brian Waters isn't the 2002 Brian Waters, Casey Weigman isn't the 2002 Casey Weigman, Lilja isn't Will Shields, Ryan O'Callaghan isn't John Tait, Leonard Pope isn't Tony Gonzalez, and Dwayne Bowe isn't Eddie Kennison.

**cabletech94** · 08-07-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

And Jamal Charles isn't Priest Holmes, Tim Castille isn't Tony Richardson, Brandon Albert isn't Willie Roaf, Brian Waters isn't the 2002 Brian Waters, Casey Weigman isn't the 2002 Casey Weigman, Lilja isn't Will Shields, Ryan O'Callaghan isn't John Tait, Leonard Pope isn't Tony Gonzalez, and Dwayne Bowe isn't Eddie Kennison.

whoa there negative nelly. tebow isn't jesus either. oh wait. yes he is. my bad!

Fish · 08-07-2010, 02:21 PM

Fans will forever long for the circus offense of Grandpa Dick.... to hell with the rest of the team....

bobbything · 08-07-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

And Jamal Charles isn't Priest Holmes, Tim Castille isn't Tony Richardson, Brandon Albert isn't Willie Roaf, Brian Waters isn't the 2002 Brian Waters, Casey Weigman isn't the 2002 Casey Weigman, Lilja isn't Will Shields, Ryan O'Callaghan isn't John Tait, Leonard Pope isn't Tony Gonzalez, and Dwayne Bowe isn't Eddie Kennison.

Aside from Gonzalez, who on that 2001 team (after that 6-10 year) made you think they were going to be world beaters? I'm not saying that all of these players are going to turn out to be All-Pros, but in 2002, my expectations for Holmes, Kennison, Green, and Richardson, was pretty tempered.

Also, Chambers is the Kennison comparison. Bowe would be Johnny Morton. And rightly so.

Just saying that this offense has a chance to be pretty darn good.

KCrockaholic · 08-07-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

And Jamal Charles isn't Priest Holmes, Tim Castille isn't Tony Richardson, Brandon Albert isn't Willie Roaf, Brian Waters isn't the 2002 Brian Waters, Casey Weigman isn't the 2002 Casey Weigman, Lilja isn't Will Shields, Ryan O'Callaghan isn't John Tait, Leonard Pope isn't Tony Gonzalez, and Dwayne Bowe isn't Eddie Kennison.

Jamaal could easily be better than Holmes over time, and Priest never had a back-up like Thomas Jones.

Mike Cox is our fullback. I really don't see Castille as a great FB. Dwayne Bowe could easily be better than Eddie Kennison if he would get his mind into the game. Chambers is our Kennison equivalent. We never had a slot receiver like McCluster either. This offense won't be as good as the 2002 Chiefs, but they could very well be a middle of the pack, possibly top 15 offense.

Our defense today is better than the 2002 defense.

08-07-2010, 01:01 PM
bobbything Distributor of Pain Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $8924900	Is this team going to be the 2002 Chiefs? Listening to Bill Maas the other day, he went on and on about how good this offense is going to be, and how terrible the defense is. It got me thinking, this team seems to be eerily similar to the early years DV teams... In 01, the team wasn't particularly good. We traded for Trent Green, who had a pretty horrible year. The defense sucked and the offense was pretty average. But, Priest Holmes emerged late and became the go-to guy. The following year, the offense took a huge leap. Holmes and Green were both great, and we picked up castoff Kennison, who resurrected his career with KC. The defense still sucked and we finished 8-8. Last year, we paid an arm and a leg for Cassel who wasn't very good. Charles emerged late as the go-to guy. We picked up castoff Chambers who looks to be resurrecting his career. And all reports out of camp are that the offense looks very, very potent, and our defense sucks. There seem to be lots of similarities between these two teams. 8-8 again, and essentially a mirror of the 2002 season?
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08-07-2010, 01:09 PM	#2
Silock MVP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10020882	I don't know that the defense is going to be THAT bad, and I don't know that the offense will be that good, either. Seems as if they will be pretty balanced, but still pretty bad.
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Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $3051169	Trent had an incredible offensive line that gave him a TON of time to find the open receiver and open up gaping holes for Holmes to run through. I agree that we have more playmakers, but the game starts in the trenches on both sides of the ball. __________________
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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1324349	1989 Chiefs featured a strong running a strong running game, and DeBerg using the play action pass based off of the running game. The play action pass appears to be Cassels strength as well based off of the last few games of this past season.
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