Royals Kansas City Royals @ Los Angeles Angels of Anameim Game Thread (8/9) - Page 4

**alnorth** · 10:50 PM

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
KC (47-65)	0	0	0	0	1	0	2	1	0	4	10	0
LAA (57-57)	1	2	0	2	0	0	1	0	X	6	11	0

Loss, (1-3) Sean O'Sullivan 6⅓IP 6R 6ER 1BB 6K 1HR
Kanekoa Texeira ⅔IP 0R 0ER 1BB 0K
Jesse Chavez 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

VS.

Win, (11-8) Ervin Santana 6⅓IP 3R 3ER 1BB 3K 1HR
Hold, (19) Kevin Jepsen ⅔IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Hold, (20) Fernando Rodney 1IP 1R 1ER 0BB 1K
Save, (22) Brian Fuentes 1IP 0R 0ER 1BB 0K

Home Runs

KC

Yuniesky Betancourt, (9) - Top 5th solo homer to left (foul pole)

LAA

Bobby Abreu, (13) - Bottom 4th 2-run homer to center

Royals Prospects Today

AAA: Mike Moustakas (day off)
AA: Derrick Robinson, (CF) 2/5, 1K
AA: Johnny Giavotella, (2B) 1/4, 1BB, 1K
AA: Eric Hosmer, (DH) 1/4, 2K, 1HR
AA: Mike Montgomery, (SP) 5⅔IP 0R 0ER 1BB 3K
Adv. A: Christian Colon, (SS) 2/3, 1BB
Adv. A: Wil Myers, (DH) 1/3, 1BB (1 double)
Adv. A: Will Smith, (SP) 5⅔IP 4R 3ER 1BB 5K 2HR

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Gregor Blanco, CF
1. Brayan Pena, ph
2. Jason Kendall, C
3. Billy Butler, 1B
4. Kila Ka'aihue, DH
5. Wilson Betemit, 3B
6. Alex Gordon, LF
7. Mitch Maier, RF
7. Willie Bloomquist, ph
8. Yuniesky Betancourt, SS
9. Chris Getz, 2B
9. Mike Aviles, ph

LAA

1. Bobby Abreu, LF
2. Erick Aybar, SS
3. Alberto Callaspo, 3B
4. Hideki Matsui, DH
5. Maicer Izturis, 2B
6. Juan Rivera, RF
7. Howard Kendrick, 1B
8. Jeff Mathis, C
9. Peter Bourjos, CF

CaliforniaChief · 08-09-2010, 08:50 PM

That pitch to Abreu was so flat that between innings Bobby asked S.O.S. to take a job as his personal BP pitcher. Ouch.

**alnorth** · 08-09-2010, 08:51 PM

Top 3rd

Betancourt hits an infield single to shortstop
Getz flies out to center
Blanco walks, Betancourt to second
Kendall grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, Blanco out at second

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 3rd

Callaspo singles to center
Matsui grounds out to pitcher, Callaspo to second
Izturis strikes out (swinging)
Rivera flies out to center

0 runs, 1 hit

CaliforniaChief · 08-09-2010, 08:52 PM

Now to the heart of the order...Getz, Blanco, Kendall.

KevB · 08-09-2010, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB

It doesn't take talent to know as the first baseman that you're cutoff from center field. It doesn't take talent to hustle all the way to the plate to be sure your runs scores. There's clearly a lack of talent, and that explains a lot of this team's ills. But it doesn't explain the lazy attitude and mental errors.

To add clarity, I'm not suggesting the losing is the managers fault. But with the youngsters coming up soon, I want the culture to be in place that we play winning baseball at all times.

KCUnited · 08-09-2010, 08:55 PM

****, Betancourt reproduced. Your 2030 softball team is ****ed.

**DeezNutz** · 08-09-2010, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB

It doesn't take talent to know as the first baseman that you're cutoff from center field. It doesn't take talent to hustle all the way to the plate to be sure your runs scores. There's clearly a lack of talent, and that explains a lot of this team's ills. But it doesn't explain the lazy attitude and mental errors.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB

To add clarity, I'm not suggesting the losing is the managers fault. But with the youngsters coming up soon, I want the culture to be in place that we play winning baseball at all times.

I filter much of the above under the category of "fundamentals," and these cannot be taught at the ML level. Thus, we're back at talent being the prime mover.

Example: Betancourt's worthless ass is not a fundamentally sound player. Never has been. You can bitch at him all you want about catching pop-ups side-saddle, and he might change...for a game or two. And then muscle memory will take over, and he'll resume being the same sack of shit that he's always been.

Get talented players, and a "winning culture" will be established.

All of these tired cliches, however, (process, culture, rebuilding, etc.) need to go away.

Al Bundy · 08-09-2010, 08:58 PM

Jason Kendall needs to quit baseball...

CaliforniaChief · 08-09-2010, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight

Jason Kendall needs to quit baseball...

In that situation, I would give Kendall the take sign until he either strikes out, walks, or is hit in the head with a career-ending fastball. Then 1 of the 4 guys in the lineup capable of hitting a HR come to the plate with the chance to tie it.

KevB · 08-09-2010, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I filter much of the above under the category of "fundamentals," and these cannot be taught at the ML level. Thus, we're back at talent being the prime mover.

Example: Betancourt's worthless ass is not a fundamentally sound player. Never has been. You can bitch at him all you want about catching pop-ups side-saddle, and he might change...for a game or two. And then muscle memory will take over, and he'll resume being the same sack of shit that he's always been.

Get talented players, and a "winning culture" will be established.

All of these tired cliches, however, (process, culture, rebuilding, etc.) need to go away.

Culture isn't a cliche. It matters, ask the Twins. There's a reason they continue to churn out winning teams year after year. Again, I agree that talent is most important, but simple mental mistakes and lazy plays can't be tolerated. I knew as a 1st baseman in the 5th grade that I was cutoff on a throw from center. We all heard growing up that we needed to hustle every play. These aren't fundamental honed in the minor leagues....they're concentration errors, plays that guys make (or don't make) because they simply aren't engaged and don't care.

**alnorth** · 08-09-2010, 09:17 PM

Top 4th

Butler flies out to right
Ka'aihue flies out to center
Betemit grounds out to first 3-1

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 4th

Kendrick strikes out (swinging)
Mathis flies out to center
Bourjos hits an infield single to third
Bourjos steals second
Abreu homers to center, Bourjos scores
Aybar grounds out to first 3-1

2 runs, 2 hits

**alnorth** · 08-09-2010, 09:17 PM

never fails. Every damn day the chiefsplanet server shits the bed a few times a night, annoying.

CaliforniaChief · 08-09-2010, 09:20 PM

I know hindsight is 20/20, but I did tell my son before the Abreu at-bat that it would have been a good idea to walk Abreu and take our chances with Aybar. Grrrrr.

**DeezNutz** · 08-09-2010, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB

Culture isn't a cliche. It matters, ask the Twins. There's a reason they continue to churn out winning teams year after year.

Agreed. Let's compare the talent level of the respective rosters.

Look, yes, hustle is something that should be demanded. But I'm not surprised that Butterball doesn't get himself in position for the cut or stumbles around the infield. 1.) He's not an athlete. 2.) He's not anywhere close to being an instinctive baseball player.

Colon is supposed to be highly instinctive AND have legit ML talent. When and if he comes up and suddenly pop-ups are routinely caught and relays are properly executed, are we really going to attribute this to "culture"? Of course not.

This isn't like debating the chicken and the egg. You MUST have talent before you can establish a "winning culture."

**alnorth** · 08-09-2010, 09:23 PM

yep, you cant spin straw into gold. This "culture" magic is something you look at to try to go from an 88-win 2nd-place team to a 90-win division champ.

Talent trumps coaching and effort almost every time.

**alnorth** · 08-09-2010, 09:25 PM

Top 5th

Gordon grounds out to first
Maier flies out to center
Betancourt homers to left
Getz flies out to left

1 run, 1 hit

Bottom 5th

Callaspo lines out to second
Matsui singles to center
Izturis singles to right, Matsui to second
Rivera flies out to center
Kendrick strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 2 hits

08-09-2010, 08:50 PM	#46
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08-09-2010, 08:51 PM	#47
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	3rd inning Top 3rd Betancourt hits an infield single to shortstop Getz flies out to center Blanco walks, Betancourt to second Kendall grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, Blanco out at second 0 runs, 1 hit Bottom 3rd Callaspo singles to center Matsui grounds out to pitcher, Callaspo to second Izturis strikes out (swinging) Rivera flies out to center 0 runs, 1 hit __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry Last edited by alnorth; 08-09-2010 at 09:15 PM..
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08-09-2010, 09:17 PM	#55
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	4th inning Top 4th Butler flies out to right Ka'aihue flies out to center Betemit grounds out to first 3-1 0 runs, 0 hits Bottom 4th Kendrick strikes out (swinging) Mathis flies out to center Bourjos hits an infield single to third Bourjos steals second Abreu homers to center, Bourjos scores Aybar grounds out to first 3-1 2 runs, 2 hits __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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08-09-2010, 09:20 PM	#57
CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $10605899	I know hindsight is 20/20, but I did tell my son before the Abreu at-bat that it would have been a good idea to walk Abreu and take our chances with Aybar. Grrrrr.
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08-09-2010, 09:23 PM	#59
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	yep, you cant spin straw into gold. This "culture" magic is something you look at to try to go from an 88-win 2nd-place team to a 90-win division champ. Talent trumps coaching and effort almost every time. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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08-09-2010, 09:25 PM	#60
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	5th inning Top 5th Gordon grounds out to first Maier flies out to center Betancourt homers to left Getz flies out to left 1 run, 1 hit Bottom 5th Callaspo lines out to second Matsui singles to center Izturis singles to right, Matsui to second Rivera flies out to center Kendrick strikes out (swinging) 0 runs, 2 hits __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry Last edited by alnorth; 08-09-2010 at 09:37 PM..
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