Chiefs Messing with bull and losing the Horne - Page 4

Red Beans · 08-24-2010, 09:02 AM

Ok, I know that the title of this thread is utterly reeruned. I am aware of it, so let's talk football.

I am under the impression that our WR from Mass, Mr. Horne, looks to be a pretty good wideout so far. While I understand we're only halfway through the preseason, he was open a few times in game one, and had our only TD in game two. In limited action it appears the game isn't too big for him, he has good size, hands, speed and he might make a nice addition to our WR core. While I'm not sure his performace warrants a jump to 2nd or 3rd string, I will say that aside form special teams, he has a bigger upside than Copper. He certainly has shown me more in limited action than Long, Urban, and Lawrence.

My concern is that we're going to cut him and then try and and sneak him on the practice squad. This will not work. I'm going to be as disappointed as Hog Farmer with a barn full of sows if we do this becasue someone will sign him to their 53. Count on it.

wasi · 08-24-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

4 RBs?

RightTttttttttttttttt.

The Chiefs had 5 last season

raybec 4 · 08-24-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wasi

I'm concerned about depth at QB, TE, C, CB

QB -Cassell, Croyle (2)
HB - Charles, Jones, Battle, Moore (4)
FB - Castille, Cox (2)
WR - Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, Copper, Horne (5)
TE - Pope, Moeaki, O'Connell (3)
LT - Albert, Richardson (2)
LG - Waters, Asamoah, Harris (3)
C - Weigmann (1)
RG - Lilja (1)
RT - O'Callaghan, Brown (2)

Offense = 25

DE - Dorsey, Jackson, Gilberry, Smith (4)
DT - Edwards, Lokey (2)
OLB - Hali, Vrabel, Studebaker, Sheffield, Walters (5)
ILB - Belcher, Williams, Johnson, Mays (4)
CD - Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Leggett, Richardson (5)
FS - Lewis, McGraw (2)
SS - Berry, Langford (2)

Defense = 24

Special Teams = 3

So they're cutting Rudy and Palko? Why are there only 52 men on the roster? I also doubt they cut Washington at safety.

wasi · 08-24-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

So they're cutting Rudy and Palko? Why are there only 52 men on the roster? I also doubt they cut Washington at safety.

I suppose they could keep 2 centres, that would bring the roster up to 53. From what I've seen Niswanger hasn't improved at all so I'd rather give the roster spot to someone else.

I could see keeping Washington over Richardson as he can play S and CB.

ToxSocks · 08-24-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wasi

I suppose they could keep 2 centres, that would bring the roster up to 53. From what I've seen Niswanger hasn't improved at all so I'd rather give the roster spot to someone else.

I could see keeping Washington over Richardson as he can play S and CB.

I doubt they keep two fullbacks when Battle can also play FB. And not having two centers is pretty F'n dumb. Rudy makes the team. And I really DOUBT they give up on Washington already. Especially since it looks like he's improved this season.

raybec 4 · 08-24-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I doubt they keep two fullbacks when Battle can also play FB. And not having two centers is pretty F'n dumb. Rudy makes the team. And I really DOUBT they give up on Washington already. Especially since it looks like he's improved this season.

The question for me is do they throw in the towel on Magee already?

**RealSNR** · 08-24-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans

The reason Copper caught that pass was because no one was covering him. And why would they? Copper got ignored because he was never running plays with the O. Put Copper out there full time and he's dog shit. Horne, who knows? I'll take uncertainty over dog shit any day.

If we wanted uncertainty over mediocrity, we would cut half of our offensive line and replace them with promising training camp cuts from other teams.

Whatever. It's my fault we're even discussing this. Copper is going to be the 5th receiver if he makes the team. The job of the 5th receiver is NOT to have the potential to be an all-pro. Know why? Because he never ****ing sees the field. Copper's contributions are way more valuable than anything Horne or Urban could do for us this season. Not because Horne can't improve, get better, and make it in this league, but simply because he's next to last on the 53-man depth chart if he makes it. He's going to be the inactive guy nearly every Sunday. Meaning, **** him. We don't need him this season. He can play on the practice squad and get better for next offseason if that were his job.

You don't value Copper because you're glossing over the importance of good special teams players. I mean, special teams is the most boring aspect of football for a lot of people. But if we're going to have this **** awesome kick returner that we drafted, we're going to need blockers and we're going to need gunners on coverage teams in order for this fancy new ST package to make any kind of field position difference for this team. Copper is key to that.

wasi · 08-24-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I doubt they keep two fullbacks when Battle can also play FB. And not having two centers is pretty F'n dumb. Rudy makes the team. And I really DOUBT they give up on Washington already. Especially since it looks like he's improved this season.

Battle hasn't got signficant looks at FB during preseason or TC this year or last. What makes you think he could do it during the regular season.

I do agree it is risky not having 2 centres. My thinking is that Waters could play it in an emergency and we have less O-lineman on the 53 because of their versatility. Most likely scenario is Niswanger makes the team.

I have no problem dropping Richardson and keeping Washington.

ToxSocks · 08-24-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wasi

Battle hasn't got signficant looks at FB during preseason or TC this year or last. What makes you think he could do it during the regular season.

I do agree it is risky not having 2 centres. My thinking is that Waters could play it in an emergency and we have less O-lineman on the 53 because of their versatility. Most likely scenario is Niswanger makes the team.

I have no problem dropping Richardson and keeping Washington.

Waters moving to center in case of an emergency? Not going to happen. No way, no how. You don't move your LG to Center. Now you have two problems instead of 1. rudy makes the team. I doubt the coaches have even discussed cutting him.

milkman · 08-24-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

So Horne has speed, but do we really know if he has hands? No one is going to be scared by a deep threat that can't catch.

I'm not against the guy per se, I just don't know what everyone has seen that has them thinking he's NFL material yet.

I know this.

That TD catch that he made in the game against the Bucs required concentration, as it traveled through traffic in the front of the end zone.

Coogs · 08-24-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I know this.

That TD catch that he made in the game against the Bucs required concentration, as it traveled through traffic in the front of the end zone.

I actually thought it was thrown to the other receiver in the area... and then I thought it was intercepted. Sort of shocked when I figured out we had a TD.

milkman · 08-24-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I actually thought it was thrown to the other receiver in the area... and then I thought it was intercepted. Sort of shocked when I figured out we had a TD.

That was what I said in another thread.

In the highlight, it appeared that pass was intended for the receiver in front (who appeared to fall down).

Red Beans · 08-24-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

If we wanted uncertainty over mediocrity, we would cut half of our offensive line and replace them with promising training camp cuts from other teams.

Whatever. It's my fault we're even discussing this. Copper is going to be the 5th receiver if he makes the team. The job of the 5th receiver is NOT to have the potential to be an all-pro. Know why? Because he never ****ing sees the field. Copper's contributions are way more valuable than anything Horne or Urban could do for us this season. Not because Horne can't improve, get better, and make it in this league, but simply because he's next to last on the 53-man depth chart if he makes it. He's going to be the inactive guy nearly every Sunday. Meaning, **** him. We don't need him this season. He can play on the practice squad and get better for next offseason if that were his job.

You don't value Copper because you're glossing over the importance of good special teams players. I mean, special teams is the most boring aspect of football for a lot of people. But if we're going to have this **** awesome kick returner that we drafted, we're going to need blockers and we're going to need gunners on coverage teams in order for this fancy new ST package to make any kind of field position difference for this team. Copper is key to that.

The O-line and the 5th WR spot are two entirely different beasts here. If you're going to take a chance on a flyer, where else but the 5th WR spot. I'm not talking about a team philosphy here, I'm talking about the 4th or 5th WR spot. I'm not talking generalities, I'm talking about one single position.

jspchief · 08-24-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I know this.

That TD catch that he made in the game against the Bucs required concentration, as it traveled through traffic in the front of the end zone.

I agree. Thrown through traffic and it was coming fast. It was a good catch.

I guess my only point is I feel like the sample size is a little small for people to start putting him on the final 53

**RealSNR** · 08-24-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans

The O-line and the 5th WR spot are two entirely different beasts here. If you're going to take a chance on a flyer, where else but the 5th WR spot. I'm not talking about a team philosphy here, I'm talking about the 4th or 5th WR spot. I'm not talking generalities, I'm talking about one single position.

Again, if the guy you want at that spot is a flyer, he belongs on the practice squad. He's not going to see the field otherwise, in which case his use on the team can be allocated to someone else... like Copper.

ToxSocks · 08-24-2010, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Again, if the guy you want at that spot is a flyer, he belongs on the practice squad. He's not going to see the field otherwise, in which case his use on the team can be allocated to someone else... like Copper.

Because Copper will contribute to the team a hell of a lot more than Horne will. No one wants to give Copper his dues for the block he laid that sprung Arenas, yet everyone is lining up to suck off Horne for some 6 yard TD catch that any camp fodder could've made.

08-24-2010, 09:02 AM
Red Beans Not dead yet... Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Indian Creek Casino cash: $1659903	Messing with bull and losing the Horne Ok, I know that the title of this thread is utterly reeruned. I am aware of it, so let's talk football. I am under the impression that our WR from Mass, Mr. Horne, looks to be a pretty good wideout so far. While I understand we're only halfway through the preseason, he was open a few times in game one, and had our only TD in game two. In limited action it appears the game isn't too big for him, he has good size, hands, speed and he might make a nice addition to our WR core. While I'm not sure his performace warrants a jump to 2nd or 3rd string, I will say that aside form special teams, he has a bigger upside than Copper. He certainly has shown me more in limited action than Long, Urban, and Lawrence. My concern is that we're going to cut him and then try and and sneak him on the practice squad. This will not work. I'm going to be as disappointed as Hog Farmer with a barn full of sows if we do this becasue someone will sign him to their 53. Count on it.
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