My prediction for Matt Cassel's season stats....

[Kylo Ren]

Most Chiefs fans thought Trent Green was a bust after the '01 season. Many on this BB called him TrInt. But, in 2002 the personel around him improved. Priest became our full time RB. Also, Trent had another year in the system as the starting QB. In 2002 he broke out and had a great season.

I think Matt Cassel is in a similar situation this year. The personel around him is improved at almost every position. I think he's going to take a significant step forward, just as Trent Green did.

Prediction:
15 1/2 games played
3675 yards
22 passing TD
1 rushing TD
9 INT
62% completions
87.0 QB rating

The offensive players compared to last year.....

WR Bowe - better - most say he had a great camp and will have a better year

WR Chambers - better - having him all year is better than the revolving door of chumps that we had last year

WR McCluster - better - the not so secret weapon

RB Charles / Jones / McCluster - better - far better than Johnson / Charles

O-line - better - collectively better than the trial and error approach to last year's O-line

FB - same - Castille

TE's - same / better - if Moeaki is injured our TE's will be the same as last year, if Moeaki plays our TE's will be better

KR / PR - better - Arenas / McCluster will give Cassel a short field very often

Defense - better - our D may not be world beaters, but I'm sure they cause more turnovers than last year and give Cassel more opportunities

Offensive Coordinator - better - Weis will be better than Haley was last year, Haley was "wearing too many hats" and couldn't do the job justice

Even if Matt doesn't improve much as a QB, everyone around him is better which will make him better by default. But, I do think he'll improve his own game somewhat.

If Cassel doesn't show significant improvement this year, he's done, and he's a bust. We'll need a new QB for 2011.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...G/GreeTr00.htm

http://www.nfl.com/players/mattcasse...e?id=CAS541133

Discuss.....


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The discussion of Cassel is a good one. But, most of you are missing two of my main points.

1. Do you agree that Cassel's stats should improve this season, simply due to the better talent around him? Maybe not the numbers that I predicted, but a marked improvement none the less. To achieve the numbers that I predicted, Cassel would need his own personal improvement in conjunction with the improved talent around him.

2. At the end of this season, if Cassel does not improve, even with better talent at almost every position around him, he should be declared a bust, released and Haley should seek a new starting QB for 2011. Agree?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by SNR

DID HE LOOK THIGNIFICENT????

HE WAS SKITTIN', SKATTIN' AND BE-BOPPIN' ALL OVER TEH FIELD LIKE A SPASTIC HAWK BAT!!!!!!

[Bane]

Prediction:
15 1/2 games played
3675 yards

Just FYI,the yards the defense racks up returning his INT's don't count towards his total for the season!

[Crush]

My prediction: some people will make excuses for this POS.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Crush

My prediction: some people will make excuses for this POS.

AND SOME PEOPLE WILL JUST HATE TO HATE/ first in with known, coming response*




*ROR: Saving the True Fan time and energy.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by ROR

AND SOME PEOPLE WILL JUST HATE TO HATE/ first in with known, coming response*




*ROR: Saving the True Fan time and energy.

Good work ROR,

[teedubya]

I think you meant

9 TDs
22 INTs

[Manila-Chief]

Haven't had time to watch the game, but I heard someone/somewhere (don't remember who/when) state a negative comment about Cassel's "reads." If he is slow reading the play, that would explain his holding onto the ball too long, throwing behind WR's, sacks, etc. His being a backup for college/NFL certainly would have hindered his ability to read a defense. Probably something that will improve as he gains more experience. I sure hope it does, or he will never be even an acceptable NFL QB.

In this Green vs. Cassel comparison ... Green had enough talent coming out of college that teams wanted him. Matt was an after thought of Pioli. Yes, he won 11 games in NE, but he was not talented enough to get them into the playoffs. Had Brady been healthy ... may have won another SB.

I truly hope he turns out to be the next Tom Brady. So far I've remained neutral, but his continual failure to throw the ball where receivers can catch it and go, holding onto the ball, interceptions, etc. are causing me to begin thinking he will fail.

Hopefully, our new found running game, additional play makers, improved defense, and special special teams will help him make us happy we chose a DE with our first pick last year instead of taking Sanchez and then Jackson in the 2nd.!!!

[LaChapelle]

I think he will be pleasingly bland

[Kylo Ren]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

He could do it. If we catch 40 of the 50 we dropped last year he would have done this.

That's a good point.

[Kylo Ren]

The discussion of Cassel is a good one. But, most of you are missing two of my main points.

1. Do you agree that Cassel's stats should improve this season, simply due to the better talent around him? Maybe not the numbers that I predicted, but a marked improvement none the less. To achieve the numbers that I predicted, Cassel would need his own personal improvement in conjunction with the improved talent around him.

2. At the end of this season, if Cassel does not improve, even with better talent at almost every position around him, he should be declared a bust, released and Haley should seek a new starting QB for 2011. Agree?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by John_Wayne

1. Do you agree that Cassel's stats should improve this season, simply due to the better talent around him?

Didn't work out for him last year when Charles replaced LJ, Chambers replaced scrub-o-the-week and Goff broke whatever it was he broke.

[Slainte]

Originally Posted by ROR

HE WAS SKITTIN', SKATTIN' AND BE-BOPPIN' ALL OVER TEH FIELD LIKE A SPASTIC HAWK BAT!!!!!!

Stanky Hanky!!

[Kylo Ren]

Originally Posted by Slainte

Stanky Hanky!!

[Slainte]

Originally Posted by John_Wayne

Your ****ing IQ drops by the millisecond, huh?

[Kylo Ren]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

This was actually a comparison I made before the '09 season, and I think it stands up in some ways now, but not in others.

Similarities: Green did play in college, so he has Cassel in that regard, but he didn't play in the NFL - at all - until his 6th season. His arm strength was questioned (here) from day one (and in fact throughout his entire tenure in KC), there was concern that he threw too much to backs and tight ends instead of attacking downfield and he had a reputation for holding the ball too long and taking a lot of sacks (49 with the Redskins in '98, 24 in just 8 games with StL in '00, and then 39 his first season here).

Differences: Green showed much, much more in isolated spurts in 2001 than Cassel did in 2009. Green had 3 games where he exceeded 70% completions (Cassel had 1), 4 more where he was 60% or better (Cassel had 3), and he had 8 games where he threw in excess of 250 yards (Cassel had 3).

There is one final similarity of note: in the 2002 preseason, Green's performance was a real mixed bag. He came out hot (11-15 for 113 yards and a TD combined the first two weeks), but looked like complete shit the last two games (13-32 for 120 yards and 5 INT). Suffice to say, we weren't exactly jumping for joy about his play...

That said, there were moments in 2001 and early in the 2002 preseason where Green looked like a quarterback out there. I don't know how else to describe it. He was just the guy in charge on the field. It was obvious. And that's what I haven't seen from Cassel, not with any kind of consistency. No confidence, no swagger, no taking charge of the huddle, no intangible aura of leadership, none of that, except for (in my opinion) the Tampa Game this preseason. I thought that game was the best he's looked in a Chiefs uniform, he had a command of the offense, of the game, that I don't recall seeing any other time. In any case, that's the "it" that people talk about, and I think Green had shown signs in 2001. Cassel did not.

And that's what will determine everything, I think. He literally has a lot of the same 'problems' that Green had, the question is whether he can develop the presence that Trent had, and at this point in time I just have no earthly idea whether he can or not. Although I'd have to say I'm leaning more towards "not", because I haven't seen many signs pointing toward it.

Good evaluation.....