To the drafturbators...

[Hootie]

**** you guys!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

we won because...

?

2010 draft class.

AND

Mark Sanchez?

He almost makes Matt Cassel look good!

(Nah, that's an exaggeration!)

Hahahahahahaha!!!

What a great feeling.

CLOUD
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[unlurking]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But he IS taking up a roster spot, is he not?

meh

So is Cassel. O'Connell only bothers me when he takes the field. Hamas' sig doesn't bother me, I was just curious about 7th round pick values.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by unlurking

meh

So is Cassel. O'Connell only bothers me when he takes the field. Hamas' sig doesn't bother me, I was just curious about 7th round pick values.

7th round picks are very valuable, but I'm a draftnik.

You can pick up quality starting offensive lineman, tight ends, running backs, and special teamers in the seventh round. You can find linebackers and safeties. And a backup quarterback or two. And you don't have to fight other teams for the player.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

7th round picks are very valuable, but I'm a draftnik.

You can pick up quality starting offensive lineman, tight ends, running backs, and special teamers in the seventh round. You can find linebackers and safeties. And a backup quarterback or two. And you don't have to fight other teams for the player.

yeah they are SOOOO valuable

almost as valuable as undrafted free agents...

almost

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

7th round picks are very valuable, but I'm a draftnik.

You can pick up quality starting offensive lineman, tight ends, running backs, and special teamers in the seventh round. You can find linebackers and safeties. And a backup quarterback or two. And you don't have to fight other teams for the player.

Actually, I meant for "winning" teams.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Dave Tollefson, from my alma mater of Northwest Missouri State University. Booya.

6 starters out of 86 players so far and that is 93% fail rate for players not becoming starters out of the 7th round.

Booya

Even if you go by the parameters (that seem fair) set forth by unlurker (thanks BTW man rep on the way) it seems my claim was only 5% off...pretty close for an educated guess

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

He's actually two seventh round picks. Pioli traded up for him.

I may be wrong, but I think we traded a future 7th rounder to take Jake that year, I don't think we traded two 7th rounders to move up to select him...did we? I admittedly didnt follow the trade that closely, I pretty much write off 7th rounders as "he wont amount to shit, if he does it is a complete bonus"

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by unlurking

meh

So is Cassel. O'Connell only bothers me when he takes the field. Hamas' sig doesn't bother me, I was just curious about 7th round pick values.

Here's the problem with a guy like O'Connell on the roster: He doesn't add any value to the team. Not offensively, defensively or even special teams.

Hey, if the Chiefs believe that O'Connell is raw but with talent, I have no problem with a guy like that on the practice squad. He'll still get reps and have an opportunity to prove his worth.

But a guy like O'Connell, at least from what we've all seen, doesn't deserve a roster spot. Fill it with guys like Andy Studebaker, Wallace Gilberry or even Tim Castille, a guy that has bounced around the league for a while but brings a certain value to the squad (and for the record, I'm fan of all three. Castille proved his worth the moment he was acquired on waivers).

Just don't give it to a guy because you drafted him, especially when he's downright awful.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I may be wrong, but I think we traded a future 7th rounder to take Jake that year, I don't think we traded two 7th rounders to move up to select him...did we? I admittedly didnt follow the trade that closely, I pretty much write off 7th rounders as "he wont amount to shit, if he does it is a complete bonus"

It was a 7th in 2009 and a 7th in 2010, hence no 7th round in 2010.

[BossChief]

Its not like we have to worry about somebody "stealing him" from our practice squad.

There has to be something with this kid they REALLY like that is totally unnoticeable in his play so far.

I wonder what it is...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

yeah they are SOOOO valuable

almost as valuable as undrafted free agents...

almost

They ARE valuable, whether it's player acquisition, trades or trade ups.

You may not recall but there was a time when the draft was eight rounds and before that, twelve rounds.

And I'm sure that the Houston Texans are really bummed that Arian Foster wasn't drafted by someone else instead of being available as an undrafted free agent.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It was a 7th in 2009 and a 7th in 2010, hence no 7th round in 2010.

I stand corrected.

The guy must make one hell of a good lasagna

[BossChief]

You know who Id like to see them take a shot on for the practice squad?

He is sitting there without work right now after being cut by Miami

Micah Johnson...I think me and Milk are the only two that like the guy.

[unlurking]

Looking at only '05 and '06, I'd say that teams have a 2% chance of landing a full time starter in the 7th round (a little higher if you want Cassel as a full time starter). Obviously when you hit, it's a great value (Succop), but it's not like it happens regularly.

Chiefs 7th round picks since 2000...

Javarris Williams
Jake O'Connell
Ryan Succop
Brian Johnston
Mike Merritt
Michael Allan
Jarrad Page
James Kilian
Jeremy Parquet
Kevin Sampson
Montique Sharpe
Willie Pile
Maurice Rodriguez
Shaunard Harts
Terdell Sands
Desmond Kitchings

If you count Page (who is currently a backup), the Chiefs have hit on 2 of their 12 7th round picks. That's a 12.5% success rate, and above the average (based on '05 and '06).

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by unlurking

Looking at only '05 and '06, I'd say that teams have a 2% chance of landing a full time starter in the 7th round (a little higher if you want Cassel as a full time starter). Obviously when you hit, it's a great value (Succop), but it's not like it happens regularly.

Chiefs 7th round picks since 2000...

Javarris Williams
Jake O'Connell
Ryan Succop
Brian Johnston
Mike Merritt
Michael Allan
Jarrad Page
James Kilian
Jeremy Parquet
Kevin Sampson
Montique Sharpe
Willie Pile
Maurice Rodriguez
Shaunard Harts
Terdell Sands
Desmond Kitchings

If you count Page (who is currently a backup), the Chiefs have hit on 2 of their 12 7th round picks. That's a 12.5% success rate, and above the average (based on '05 and '06).

I wouldn't use the Chiefs of this decade as the standard bearers of NFL drafting.

In short, they've sucked ass, hence two winning seasons since 2000.

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Here's the problem with a guy like O'Connell on the roster: He doesn't add any value to the team. Not offensively, defensively or even special teams.

Hey, if the Chiefs believe that O'Connell is raw but with talent, I have no problem with a guy like that on the practice squad. He'll still get reps and have an opportunity to prove his worth.

But a guy like O'Connell, at least from what we've all seen, doesn't deserve a roster spot. Fill it with guys like Andy Studebaker, Wallace Gilberry or even Tim Castille, a guy that has bounced around the league for a while but brings a certain value to the squad (and for the record, I'm fan of all three. Castille proved his worth the moment he was acquired on waivers).

Just don't give it to a guy because you drafted him, especially when he's downright awful.

While I can't really disagree with anything you've said here (although I think Gilberry's top potential is a quality rotation), O'Callaghan currently tops my list of unwanted players. Let's cut both the "O'C's" and call it even.