Chiefs Did you over-react to the work of Scott Pioli?

**jAZ** · 09-26-2010, 01:58 PM

There were a whole lot of people who lost patience with Scott Pioli starting after the hiring of Todd Haley and the 1st pick in the 2009 draft.

The Haley Hire sucked.
The Tyson Jackson pick sucked.
The Cassel/Vrabel trade sucked.
The whole 2009 Draft sucked.
Tamba Hali sucks.
The Dexter McCluster pick sucked.
The Tony Moeaki pick sucked.
The moves on the OL sucked.
The majority of the 2010 draft sucked.
Playing Thomas Jones so much sucks.

What else am I missing?

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2010, 02:01 PM

The 2009 Chiefs draft remains an abortion. Jackson and Magee did not suit up today. Succop missed a FG, proving he's not perfect.

Cassel HAS sucked for the most part. Today, he was very good, due some great game-planning by Weis.

I loved the 2010 draft, the TJ acquisition and the hiring of Crennel & especially, Weis.

But the majority of talent was here before Pioli arrived.

**the Talking Can** · 09-26-2010, 02:01 PM

yeah, you're the guy who got everything right

go **** yourself, you're ruining a good day

hilarious who shows up to cry on our best win in ages

chiefzilla1501 · 09-26-2010, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ

There were a whole lot of people who lost patience with Scott Pioli starting after the hiring of Todd Haley and the 1st pick in the 2009 draft.

The Haley Hire sucked.
The Tyson Jackson pick sucked.
The Cassel/Vrabel trade sucked.
The whole 2009 Draft sucked.
Tamba Hali sucks.
The Dexter McCluster pick sucked.
The Tony Moeaki pick sucked.
The moves on the OL sucked.
The majority of the 2010 draft sucked.
Playing Thomas Jones so much sucks.

What else am I missing?

I think the big one is that Scott Pioli was a dumbass for caring about "the right 53." And making a lot of very unpopular moves in the process.

Ther reason the Chiefs are 3-0 and the Cowboys are 1-2 is that they're treating every single game like it's the Super Bowl.

**jAZ** · 09-26-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah, you're the guy who got everything right

go **** yourself, you're ruining a good day

hilarious who shows up to cry on our best win in ages

Do you think the endless bitching for 18 months around here might have ruined the entire board for 18 f-ing months?!?!

The only thing I got right was having the humility to wait, see what developed, and not pretend that I have any idea what it takes to build a *team*.

I wasn't right about anything else, because I never claimed to be. I took a wait-and-see approach. They could have screwed everything up. I don't know how to build a franchise.

keg in kc · 09-26-2010, 02:15 PM

Thinking everything is hunky-dory at this point wouldn't be much less of an overreaction. They're 3 games into the season. There's a long, long haul left to go.

Just enjoy the wins, and don't overthink.

beach tribe · 09-26-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The 2009 Chiefs draft remains an abortion. Jackson and Magee did not suit up today. Succop missed a FG, proving he's not perfect.

Cassel HAS sucked for the most part. Today, he was very good, due some great game-planning by Weis.

I loved the 2010 draft, the TJ acquisition and the hiring of Crennel & especially, Weis.

But the majority of talent was here before Pioli arrived.

OMG. Succup missed his first FG from inside 40 yards. Horrible 7th rounder.

2009 draft wasn't a world beater, but did Pioli have all of HIS men on the job? No he didn't.

He NAILED the 2010 draft, and took a 2-14 team to 3-0 in 2 YEARS.

Pioli hired Haley, who slapped the lazy bitch loser attitude out of "the players that were already here"
He hired Crennel, who has this defense playing with more discipline than they have since I've been alive(Haley benching our most talented defensive player for not being disciplined helped a lot)
He hired Weis who has figured out what he has to work with now.

And HE chose PLAYMAKERS over the guys that all of the know it all, shit slinging, insult artists such as yourself, emphatically pronounced to be the acts of an idiot.......No offense. Just sayin.

What was that you said about our chances of being 3-0.

Guess what know it alls. GoChiefs and the rest of non belittlers have been closer to right than ANY of you.

Enjoy the win though, eh.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-26-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Thinking everything is hunky-dory at this point wouldn't be much less of an overreaction. They're 3 games into the season. There's a long, long haul left to go.

Just enjoy the wins, and don't overthink.

I don't think anybody thinks that.

But the fact is that the Chiefs have won more games than some expected and are only 1-2 wins away from winning more games than a lot of the pessimists thought.

The Chiefs are undoubtedly better. This season, that's all any reasonable fan should have hoped for.

**grandllama** · 09-26-2010, 02:24 PM

There needs to be another option. Yes I over hated last year. I'm still cautious about Pioli, but I love what Haley is doing this year.

Considering his coaching got 100% better after the incident, I wish he would have flipped off GBlowfish in week one last year.

**jAZ** · 09-26-2010, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Thinking everything is hunky-dory at this point wouldn't be much less of an overreaction. They're 3 games into the season. There's a long, long haul left to go.

Just enjoy the wins, and don't overthink.

Agreed. But it's pretty clear from what we know now that a LOT of the reactions of the last 18 months was premature. Acknowledging that simple fact isn't itself premature.

**Reaper16** · 09-26-2010, 02:25 PM

No, I have not overreacted.

**jAZ** · 09-26-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by grandllama

There needs to be another option. Yes I over hated last year. I'm still cautious about Pioli, but I love what Haley is doing this year.

Considering his coaching got 100% better after the incident, I wish he would have flipped off GBlowfish in week one last year.

That's actually more of what I meant than what I said in the final option. It's not like we've won a super bowl. If I could change the last option to this, I would.

**Bearcat** · 09-26-2010, 02:34 PM

I took the wait-and-see approach... who would have thought Haley would be better with some experience, an OC, and a better DC?

A lot of Haley's mistakes seem to be due to ego and/or inexperience.... it wasn't like Herm, where the foundation of play for field position and a miracle wasn't ever going to work, and he showed over and over that he was never going to change.

**Baby Lee** · 09-26-2010, 02:40 PM

2009 draft did suck
Cassel does suck
The coaching staff in 2009 was a cluster****
Haven't really been against anything that's transpired since then [TJones, Shaun Smith, Crennel, Weis, Lilja, Weigman, 2010 draft]

beach tribe · 09-26-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think anybody thinks that.

But the fact is that the Chiefs have won more games than some expected and are only 1-2 wins away from winning more games than a lot of the pessimists thought.

The Chiefs are undoubtedly better. This season, that's all any reasonable fan should have hoped for.

Isn't that all that anyone said they wanted? To see improvement, a sign that things were headed in the right direction? Well, ugh, guess what.

View Poll Results: Did you over-react to the work of Scott Pioli?
No, I knew Pioli would build a winner all along... I'm a PioliZombie!	29	24.58%
No, I took a wait and see, for at least one full season, maybe longer.	80	67.80%
No, this is a mirage, Pioli, Haley, Cassel, et al still suck.	2	1.69%
Yes, I over reacted. They know what they are doing.	7	5.93%
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09-26-2010, 01:58 PM
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09-26-2010, 02:01 PM	#2
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	The 2009 Chiefs draft remains an abortion. Jackson and Magee did not suit up today. Succop missed a FG, proving he's not perfect. Cassel HAS sucked for the most part. Today, he was very good, due some great game-planning by Weis. I loved the 2010 draft, the TJ acquisition and the hiring of Crennel & especially, Weis. But the majority of talent was here before Pioli arrived.
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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Thinking everything is hunky-dory at this point wouldn't be much less of an overreaction. They're 3 games into the season. There's a long, long haul left to go. Just enjoy the wins, and don't overthink.
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grandllama Hi, I'm Llama Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colts Hell Casino cash: $10004900	There needs to be another option. Yes I over hated last year. I'm still cautious about Pioli, but I love what Haley is doing this year. Considering his coaching got 100% better after the incident, I wish he would have flipped off GBlowfish in week one last year. __________________ How to I put something here?
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Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $2514931	I took the wait-and-see approach... who would have thought Haley would be better with some experience, an OC, and a better DC? A lot of Haley's mistakes seem to be due to ego and/or inexperience.... it wasn't like Herm, where the foundation of play for field position and a miracle wasn't ever going to work, and he showed over and over that he was never going to change. __________________
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09-26-2010, 02:40 PM	#14
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	2009 draft did suck Cassel does suck The coaching staff in 2009 was a cluster**** Haven't really been against anything that's transpired since then [TJones, Shaun Smith, Crennel, Weis, Lilja, Weigman, 2010 draft] __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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