Chiefs Did you over-react to the work of Scott Pioli? - Page 2

**jAZ** · 09-26-2010, 01:58 PM

There were a whole lot of people who lost patience with Scott Pioli starting after the hiring of Todd Haley and the 1st pick in the 2009 draft.

The Haley Hire sucked.
The Tyson Jackson pick sucked.
The Cassel/Vrabel trade sucked.
The whole 2009 Draft sucked.
Tamba Hali sucks.
The Dexter McCluster pick sucked.
The Tony Moeaki pick sucked.
The moves on the OL sucked.
The majority of the 2010 draft sucked.
Playing Thomas Jones so much sucks.

What else am I missing?

beach tribe · 09-26-2010, 02:45 PM

ZERO in the over-reaction column I see. All the people who cried at no end must not have voted.

**Ming the Merciless** · 09-26-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The 2009 Chiefs draft remains an abortion. Jackson and Magee did not suit up today. Succop missed a FG, proving he's not perfect.

Cassel HAS sucked for the most part. Today, he was very good, due some great game-planning by Weis.

I loved the 2010 draft, the TJ acquisition and the hiring of Crennel & especially, Weis.

But the majority of talent was here before Pioli arrived.

Idiot...

Pioli got rid of over 30 players when he took the team over...30 out of the 53 who were on the roster one season prior. How you can possibly say the majority of talent was there prior to Pioli with a straight face is amazing. Will you still be sticking to this in a season or two?

And if you think missing a FG makes the last pick of a draft bad...welll...that is nonsense too.

Furthermore if after every good game you are going to say Cassel played well because of x , y or z.....

You are so much fail, it is just great to watch. Clearly you do not know SHIT about anything.

Keep it up though...it is funny as hell.

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-26-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The 2009 Chiefs draft remains an abortion. Jackson and Magee did not suit up today. Succop missed a FG, proving he's not perfect.

Cassel HAS sucked for the most part. Today, he was very good, due some great game-planning by Weis.

I loved the 2010 draft, the TJ acquisition and the hiring of Crennel & especially, Weis.

But the majority of talent was here before Pioli arrived.

Hey, I won't argue that a lot of talent was here prior to Pioli. I said all along that Herm Edwards was a great talent evaluator and was willing to go young. That alone, made me a fan.

Even with all that 'talent' The Chiefs went 2-10 in their final season under Herm Edwards. I know, I know, they were 'young'. Like the draft class this year...who are certainly contributing.

And, Hali is a 'scrub' right. Because he is not a starting caliber player, and would be 'horrible' in the 3-4. I mean, scrubs get three sacks all the time.

Pioli won't be right every single time. No GM, no coach, no player...... even the best ones are perfect.

I won't dispute that Cassel looked good due to good game planning. (Similar to a guy like Orton.) Game planning and surrounding talent makes average starting QB's look good, and good starting QB's look great.

But, one game does not a season or career make. I think Cassel turned the corner today. No, he isn't a 'franchise' QB. But, Weis is learning what he does well. That will help him to call a game to the best of Cassel's ability.

I do think it's funny that you still want to pick apart what Pioli has done. The Chiefs are 3-0 and had their MOST dominant win thus far this season. It is hard to find a single weakness in that win. But, you still have to point out what you dissagree with.

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-26-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think the big one is that Scott Pioli was a dumbass for caring about "the right 53." And making a lot of very unpopular moves in the process.

Ther reason the Chiefs are 3-0 and the Cowboys are 1-2 is that they're treating every single game like it's the Super Bowl.

I agree that would be silly. But, the reality is that even the strongest homers, thought that the Chiefs would be 2-1 at the best. And, there were some who were 'sure' that the Chiefs would be 0-3.

The point isn't that the Chiefs are going to the Super Bowl. But, the Chiefs are a rebuilding team that is 3-0. Not bad. Not bad at all.

Rigodan · 09-26-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Idiot...
Furthermore if after every good game you are going to say Cassel played well because of x , y or z.....

You are so much fail, it is just great to watch. Clearly you do not know SHIT about anything.

San Fran made it easy for him today. They refused to cover anyone in the flat and were awful on screen plays and that is all Cassel did today. The TD passes to Bowe and Moeaki were the only completions that were down the feild that I can remember and only because Bowe was wide open and Moeaki made an incredible catch. Cassel's numbers were good but it was largely because SF's defense had their head up their ass and let us get our playmakers the ball in space all day.

**grandllama** · 09-26-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

snip... let us get our playmakers the ball in space all day.

There are a minimum of six play makers on our offense. All we have to do is make sure Matty's play is negated by getting the ball to one of them as quick as possible.

Let the playmakers carry the heavy load. If that means dinks and dunks and wildcats, I'm fine.

All we need Matty to be is servicable. He was that today.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

2009 draft wasn't a world beater, but did Pioli have all of HIS men on the job? No he didn't.

No, he did not.

It's been reported and linked time and again that Pioli used the reports compiled from the New England scouting department and trashed the Chiefs reports.

He NAILED the 2010 draft, and took a 2-14 team to 3-0 in 2 YEARS.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

And HE chose PLAYMAKERS over the guys that all of the know it all, shit slinging, insult artists such as yourself, emphatically pronounced to be the acts of an idiot.......No offense. Just sayin.

**** you.

I LOVED the draft and said so on draft day and defended the picks.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

What was that you said about our chances of being 3-0.

I've picked the Chiefs to win the past two weeks. In August, I didn't.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Guess what know it alls. GoChiefs and the rest of non belittlers have been closer to right than ANY of you.

Wrong. And who the **** are you referring to, Dickhead?

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Enjoy the win though, eh.

Go **** yourself.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Idiot...

Pioli got rid of over 30 players when he took the team over...30 out of the 53 who were on the roster one season prior. How you can possibly say the majority of talent was there prior to Pioli with a straight face is amazing. Will you still be sticking to this in a season or two?

You're a ****ing idiot.

Go ahead and name the starters and let us know how many where here when Pioli took over in 2008.

I'll be waiting, Dumbass.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-26-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

And HE chose PLAYMAKERS over the guys that all of the know it all, shit slinging, insult artists such as yourself, emphatically pronounced to be the acts of an idiot.......No offense. Just sayin.

More proof that you're a ****ing moron:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/newreply....eply&p=6712720

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're talking in absolutes: If, If, If.

These guys were brought in to play immediately. They're game changers.

The Chiefs NEEDED a real nickel back and a returner. The Chiefs NEEDED a guy like McCluster. I expect Weis to line him up all over the field.

I think the secondary is going to take a HUGE leap this year. I expect improvement from Mays and especially Belcher & Studebaker.

Personally, I'll take dynamic playmakers any day of the week over a NT or ILB. If the Chiefs had taken an ILB and NT, maybe the defense would be improved but the offense would still suck ass, as would the return game.

I'll take a guy that has the ability to take it to the house every time he touches the ball over a NT every single time. Especially when that NT is a questionable ****ing fat ass.

TheGuardian · 09-26-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

More proof that you're a ****ing moron:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/newreply....eply&p=6712720

I remember that post by Dane now. I think Dane gets unfairly tossed in with the ****ing idiots like Mecca sometimes who say that EVERYTHING the Chiefs do is wrong.

The McCluster and Arenas picks certainly make a lot of "smart" people on this board look like dumb mother ****ers.

**BigRedChief** · 09-26-2010, 03:52 PM

The record shows that I wanted Scott Pioli to replace King Carl back in 2004 when I started a thread on bringing Pioli in here.

ChiefsCountry · 09-26-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Idiot...

Pioli got rid of over 30 players when he took the team over...30 out of the 53 who were on the roster one season prior. How you can possibly say the majority of talent was there prior to Pioli with a straight face is amazing. Will you still be sticking to this in a season or two?

Bowe
Charles
Albert
Waters
Richardson
Dorsey
Edwards
Hali
Johnson
Flowers
Carr
McGraw
Colquitt

Then the backups..
Gillberry
Studebacker
Croyle
Cox
Williams

SenselessChiefsFan · 09-26-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

San Fran made it easy for him today. They refused to cover anyone in the flat and were awful on screen plays and that is all Cassel did today. The TD passes to Bowe and Moeaki were the only completions that were down the feild that I can remember and only because Bowe was wide open and Moeaki made an incredible catch. Cassel's numbers were good but it was largely because SF's defense had their head up their ass and let us get our playmakers the ball in space all day.

Yeah, because that is an awful defense.

Weis did a good job calling and game planning that game. Cassel did a good job executing the gameplan.

DJ's left nut · 09-26-2010, 07:59 PM

Sorry, but 2009 still sucked.

Cassel is still bad and nobody from the 2009 draft contributed to today's win.

The 2010 offseason appear to be trending better than I thought, but I won't apologize at all for anything I said regarding 2009. Even during our incredible start, the 2009 offseason has still contributed virtually nothing.

If 2011 shows the Chiefs as a true contender for a title, I'll admit that I gave up on Pioli too soon.

Pitt Gorilla · 09-26-2010, 08:03 PM

I've held out hope for Cassel because of what I saw in TC last year. Among our QBs, he was the ONLY one who could consistently make all of the throws. Thiggy, Croyle, whoeverelsethe**** couldn't come close to Cassel's talent. I still think his best football is yet to come.

View Poll Results: Did you over-react to the work of Scott Pioli?
No, I knew Pioli would build a winner all along... I'm a PioliZombie!	29	24.58%
No, I took a wait and see, for at least one full season, maybe longer.	80	67.80%
No, this is a mirage, Pioli, Haley, Cassel, et al still suck.	2	1.69%
Yes, I over reacted. They know what they are doing.	7	5.93%
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09-26-2010, 01:58 PM
jAZ Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Casino cash: $9847493	Did you over-react to the work of Scott Pioli? There were a whole lot of people who lost patience with Scott Pioli starting after the hiring of Todd Haley and the 1st pick in the 2009 draft. The Haley Hire sucked. The Tyson Jackson pick sucked. The Cassel/Vrabel trade sucked. The whole 2009 Draft sucked. Tamba Hali sucks. The Dexter McCluster pick sucked. The Tony Moeaki pick sucked. The moves on the OL sucked. The majority of the 2010 draft sucked. Playing Thomas Jones so much sucks. What else am I missing?
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09-26-2010, 02:45 PM	#16
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4718036	ZERO in the over-reaction column I see. All the people who cried at no end must not have voted.
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09-26-2010, 03:52 PM	#26
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2749627 VARSITY	The record shows that I wanted Scott Pioli to replace King Carl back in 2004 when I started a thread on bringing Pioli in here. __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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09-26-2010, 07:59 PM	#29
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2619099	Sorry, but 2009 still sucked. Cassel is still bad and nobody from the 2009 draft contributed to today's win. The 2010 offseason appear to be trending better than I thought, but I won't apologize at all for anything I said regarding 2009. Even during our incredible start, the 2009 offseason has still contributed virtually nothing. If 2011 shows the Chiefs as a true contender for a title, I'll admit that I gave up on Pioli too soon. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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09-26-2010, 08:03 PM	#30
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $2620194	I've held out hope for Cassel because of what I saw in TC last year. Among our QBs, he was the ONLY one who could consistently make all of the throws. Thiggy, Croyle, whoeverelsethe**** couldn't come close to Cassel's talent. I still think his best football is yet to come. __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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