Its a Shame (Royals)

[synthesis2]

I know none of us care anymore about the Royals, especially with the Chiefs at 3-0 but this has bothered me for a while so I thought I would put it out there. I go to 10-15 Royals games a year and around half of the Chiefs game, love and support both best i can.

What gets me about the Royals is that Kansas City supports teams much better than half of the cities that have MLB, but we HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING to root for. I mean we have been so bad for so long that its almost an enigma that we haven't have one year that we have won our division in the last 15 plus years.

Here is the real beef, look at teams like Tampa Bay Devil Rays, Florida Marlines, Oakland A's, Toronto Blue jays, Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, San Diego etc. All teams that we would support so much better if we just had something. I mean besides Pittsburg, we have absolutely been the bottom feeder in MLB. I mean imagine if we had Tampa's Team here, it would be crazy, we would sell twice the tickets that Tampa does.

ahhhh, anyway just thoughts...

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Oh wait, you were serious?
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Yes. I am serious. If you don't think I am serious then you haven't been paying a lick of attention to the Royals farm system. It is universally considered the best in baseball. There should be 5 Royals in the Baseball America top 50 prospects next time it comes out, with plenty of strong depth after that. The Royals' seventh best prospect is better than some teams' number one best prospect.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Yes. I am serious. If you don't think I am serious then you haven't been paying a lick of attention to the Royals farm system. It is universally considered the best in baseball. There should be 5 Royals in the Baseball America top 50 prospects next time it comes out, with plenty of strong depth after that. The Royals' seventh best prospect is better than some teams' number one best prospect.

Dude, I totally believe you. I have no doubt that we probably have the best prospects in all of baseball. The problem here is, (as you know) putting it together all at once and winning so they generate enough revenue to keep these guys. It's the same old story. We have good players that trickle in a few at a time and tear it up but by the time we call up enough to win, the existing ones are already traded away.

I truly hope that you're right and they put it together quickly enough to do something. Unfortunately, history usually repeats itself with this club all too often.
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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Dude, I totally believe you. I have no doubt that we probably have the best prospects in all of baseball. The problem here is, (as you know) putting it together all at once and winning so they generate enough revenue to keep these guys. It's the same old story. We have good players that trickle in a few at a time and tear it up but by the time we call up enough to win, the existing ones are already traded away.

I truly hope that you're right and they put it together quickly enough to do something. Unfortunately, history usually repeats itself with this club all too often.
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The continued handling of Greinke will be the first major hurdle here. I'm not against trading anyone, but you better get the ****ing motherload for a front-line pitcher of his caliber.

9/10, this is the player you keep at all costs.

[tk13]

We are USA baseball.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Dude, I totally believe you. I have no doubt that we probably have the best prospects in all of baseball. The problem here is, (as you know) putting it together all at once and winning so they generate enough revenue to keep these guys. It's the same old story. We have good players that trickle in a few at a time and tear it up but by the time we call up enough to win, the existing ones are already traded away.

I truly hope that you're right and they put it together quickly enough to do something. Unfortunately, history usually repeats itself with this club all too often.
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Well, this is a bit of uncharted territory. KC has never had this amount of talent in their system at one time. We actually have, get this, too many top-shelf pitching prospects. Some will have to become crackerjack bullpen arms or, even better, used in trades to land a legitimate, proven bat somewhere.

I think we're both concerned in the same ways about the same things. But this is not the same old story. This is an entirely new story.

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Two-part solution to silencing all skeptics:

1. Several of these promising prospects need to develop into legit players at the ML level. Stars? Dare we dream?
2. These players, or the majority of them, must be re-signed. Will we take MN's lead and substantially increase payroll as needed?

here's a solution
wrap up before football
basketball and hokey should end before may

extended seasons and 7 game play off don't help

football rules because it's one and done
march madness the same
cut the seasons in half and make them the only game in town
other than that I won't care


k I am a suns fan but still the seasons are to long
and playoffs need to be sudden death

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Well, this is a bit of uncharted territory. KC has never had this amount of talent in their system at one time. We actually have, get this, too many top-shelf pitching prospects. Some will have to become crackerjack bullpen arms or, even better, used in trades to land a legitimate, proven bat somewhere.

I think we're both concerned in the same ways about the same things. But this is not the same old story. This is an entirely new story.

I completely disagree about the "too many" part, especially given the flakiness of some, fragility of others, and the sucktitude of yet more (whom some wise posters said we never should have drafted, Crow you worthless sack of ****).

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Well, this is a bit of uncharted territory. KC has never had this amount of talent in their system at one time. We actually have, get this, too many top-shelf pitching prospects. Some will have to become crackerjack bullpen arms or, even better, used in trades to land a legitimate, proven bat somewhere.

I think we're both concerned in the same ways about the same things. But this is not the same old story. This is an entirely new story.

Well, that gives me wood.
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[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I completely disagree about the "too many" part, especially given the flakiness of some, fragility of others, and the sucktitude of yet more (whom some wise posters said we never should have drafted, Crow you worthless sack of ****).

What I was referring to was that we have more pitching prospects than we do major league rotation spots. You can never have enough arms in your system. Because they are currency. And because, like you said, people do get hurt.

Crow won't "bust." His stuff is too ****ing good for him to be a worthless major league pitcher. My feeling is that, if his control over extended innings isn't back to normal next season, that his future will be as a relief pitcher. His stuff would be absolutely lock-down in the 8th or 9th innings. It won't be worth his draft spot but it will be a valuable role on the team.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

What I was referring to was that we have more pitching prospects than we do major league rotation spots. You can never have enough arms in your system. Because they are currency. And because, like you said, people do get hurt.

Crow won't "bust." His stuff is too ****ing good for him to be a worthless major league pitcher. My feeling is that, if his control over extended innings isn't back to normal next season, that his future will be as a relief pitcher. His stuff would be absolutely lock-down in the 8th or 9th innings. It won't be worth his draft spot but it will be a valuable role on the team.

His ceiling is Hochevar as a starter, so perhaps he could become a solid set-up guy, which wouldn't be all bad. But this brings us back to some of the concerns about the kid's mental makeup.

Just certain things I would almost never deviate from: A.) Don't take a pitcher 1/1. B.) Don't draft a kid who would sit out an entire year.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

His ceiling is Hochevar as a starter, so perhaps he could become a solid set-up guy, which wouldn't be all bad. But this brings us back to some of the concerns about the kid's mental makeup.

Just certain things I would almost never deviate from: A.) Don't take a pitcher 1/1. B.) Don't draft a kid who would sit out an entire year.

His ceiling is Hochevar's ceiling? Or his ceiling is Hochevar right now? I'm inclined to say the former.

I'm with you about your A & B rules.

[tk13]

I will take pride in being the last remaining idiot to go down with the Hochevar ship. You all will rue the day!

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

His ceiling is Hochevar's ceiling? Or his ceiling is Hochevar right now? I'm inclined to say the former.

I'm with you about your A & B rules.

Current Hochevar. Nails one night. Balls the next.

I've said numerous times that talent trumps intangibles, and I really believe this in most instances. Pitchers, however, are such mentally fragile ****s to begin with, taking one who lacks elite competitive drive is begging for disaster.

I refuse to believe that anyone who would forfeit an entire year of his career for relative peanuts is an elite competitor.

And Hochevar lacks an out pitch, tk. He's the poor man's Kevin Brown without the PEDs.

[tk13]

His stuff has MOVEMENT! HE WILL BE A PITCHER1!!111

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tk13

HE WILL BE A PITCHER1!!111

Complete agreement. .