Chiefs Reflections on a Rat****ing - Page 13

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-17-2010, 02:24 PM

But not by the refs

First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend.

Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel.

I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed
tackles.

I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself
out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop.

Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD.

If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game
changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds.

The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the
previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history.

It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be.

Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson?

DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game.

Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time.

The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown.

That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.

el borracho · 10-17-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

So Cassel gets blame but what about the ****ing defense do all those guys get a pass? This place has became comical it's back to trolling for this guy. Once Houston scored the game was over doesn't matter if it was Matt Cassel or Tom Brady.

The OP mentions the DC, the pass rush in general and some D players by name. I think most in this thread have said that the D cost us the game today. The reason Cassel gets so much abuse is because he plays the most important position on the team and has had more crap games than good as a Chief.

Once again, this loss was not Cassel's fault but the final drive did exemplify Cassel's lackings. Cassel is not good enough.

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-17-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

So the 4th down plays Cassel didn't make a play? All those 3rd downs they converted he didn't make a play?

JFC You're a ****ing moron. Go play in traffic...

Titty Meat · 10-17-2010, 05:35 PM

Favre to Lewis comes to mind last year but most of the time if a team is trailing by a touchdown with under 30 seconds left they are donezo.

KC kid · 10-17-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

The more you post, the more you look like a moron.

Sure thing, sparky

milkman · 10-17-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As I said earlier, I didn't expect Cassel to win the game but I did expect him not the shit the bed by overthrowing wide open receivers.

He couldn't even put the team in a position to win and that's a bad sign.

The poor passes there are a concern.

stevieray · 10-17-2010, 05:50 PM

blahblahblahblahblah

you score 31 points on the road, you usually win. defense gave up four consecutive scoring drives, chiefs led that game until 28 seconds into the fourth qtr...

defense choked this game away, period.

It's getting really hard to come to this board and read the complete and utter dishonest BS.

Haley and Pioli have been mocked since day friggen one. the patsification of the chiefs, the process. the right 53. the incessant whining about the front seven. the incessant whining about the oline. least talented roster in the league. DJ misused. Charles misued because of Thomas Jones. Dorsey sucks. Moeaki wasted pick. Tyson Jackson wasted pick. DMC wasted pick. Weis wants Clausen. we should've drafted______________( the biggest waste of time known to man)We suck. We're gonna suck. We'll be lucky to win five games. We're years away from competing. Won our first games in spite of ourselves. Clark hunt is cheap. Clark Hunt doesn't care about winning. Pioli only cares about ex Patriots. Haley has lost the team. Haley is too emotional,etc ad nausem. Defense and ST's won't win all the games (NSS)

...and then after three measley games, that we weren't really "supposed" to win, we're somehow now playoff contenders, and Cassel is the weak link? What a load of shit. ...seems everyone has forgotten what Haley has said all along. WE AREN"T THERE YET...it wasn't going to be pretty, or fancy, or big name players. He wants a complete TEAM..yet everyone expects some friggen miracle when the organization had to be almost completely gutted, coaches and FO included, and rebuilt from the ground up. no patience, no foresight, no big picture... just unrealistic expectations from people who constantly move the goal posts.

**Rain Man** · 10-17-2010, 06:02 PM

i'm on my phone and it's a pain to go through all the pages, but I sure hope berry is getting some heat for this. if an opponent needs a td they should just look for Eric Barely.
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NewChief · 10-17-2010, 06:03 PM

Chiefs fans should be proud. This team can compete and contend with any team in the league right now. Two years into this transition, and you all are contenders. That's something to be proud of. I know that you can pick things apart, and a tough loss will make you want to do so... that being said: this franchise is moving in the right direction.

**DeezNutz** · 10-17-2010, 06:06 PM

Next Chiefs Kingdom Show this Monday at 7:00 PM!

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-17-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

just unrealistic expectations from people who constantly move the goal posts.

I don't think it's unrealistic to ask your QB to complete passes to wide open receivers when the game is on the line, but I guess that's just me.

stevieray · 10-17-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NewPhin

that being said: this franchise is moving in the right direction.

stevieray · 10-17-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think it's unrealistic to ask your QB to complete passes to wide open receivers when the game is on the line, but I guess that's just me.

...more BS...
meanwhile it's toally realistic for the defense to give up 28 points when the lead is on the line.

**DeezNutz** · 10-17-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

the complete and utter dishonest BS.

What are you talking about here?

There are some goofy takes in all the threads, but there's also some solid analysis, which is why places such as this exist.

Titty Meat · 10-17-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

JFC You're a ****ing moron. Go play in traffic...

So you can't answer if converting all those 3rd and 4th downs were cruical plays? Don't think too hard by the time you come up with an answer and wipe the drool from your keyboard it'll be bedtime.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-17-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

He did play a fine game. To bad he choked at the end.

The defense choked at the end.

Expecting anyone to go 70 yards in 28 seconds is setting some pretty lofty expectations.

10-17-2010, 02:24 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	Reflections on a Rating But not by the refs First, I’m going to bet that about 2000 people blamed Carr on that final catch. If you watch, you’ll notice that he was covering Daniels in the short zone. If he would have inexplicably floated to the back pylon before the throw, Schaub has a wide open Daniels walking into the EZ and the result is the same. Don’t blame Carr. With that said, Romeo should have locked Flowers on Johnson for the entirety of that drive and not had us play zone in that situation. Berry was in the area too, but that was a schoolyard play, and those are the hardest to defend. Cassel really ****ed us on the last drive. He was near the money all game, and when he had Bowe and Horne wide open, he badly misfired on both, which made us need a Hail Mary for any shot. Oh, and that 3^rd and 2 call was there, but Cassel made an awful throw to Moeaki. He really screwed the pooch when we needed him the most, and that’s the difference between a franchise QB and Matt Cassel. I think we had more missed tackles today than every other game this season combined. Playing good offenses will tend to make that happen, but there were some really bad plays on D today. On Ward’s run, I counted six missed tackles. I know Donald Washington is a n00b FS, but he looked lost in coverage several times, and missed a couple of key tackles, one on the Ward run, and another on Jones™ catch late in the third, where he totally took himself out of coverage, recovered after the catch, and then blew the stop. Cassel’s first TD to Bowe was a great throw and catch. The other two TDs were phenomenal plays by the receivers. Vrabel’s was obviously way behind him, and Bowe went SD 2007 on the Texans on his second TD. If you are going to take something from Bowe’s performance today, it should be how he responded to adversity. I hope that the people who wanted him run out of town today feel a little foolish, because he is still a game changing receiving weapon, and he made a number of very difficult catches. He made 3 really good grabs today, and another circus catch that would have been a top 10 highlight had Cassel not lead him out of bounds. The running game was nails today. Charles started slow and then really picked it up. More than anything, he was much harder to take down today than he was last week, and Jones looked a hell of a lot quicker than he had the previous two games. And Charles had the greatest 7 yard run in football history. It’s becoming more and more apparent that the coaches do not trust Cassel whatsoever. Delay of game coming off of a timeout should be a capital offense for a QB. JFC.We were afraid to pass on the first drive, and unless we are in 3rd and 8+ or in a 2 minute drill, we aren’t attempting to throw downfield at all. However, the throw he made to Moeaki on 3rd and 7 was exactly where it needed to be. Brandon Flowers may be the most complete corner in the NFL today. The PI call on him was obviously horrendous, but if it’s a no-call, Johnson makes the catch anyway. The elbow in the back was a foul, but it’s not normally one that is called. That said, if you’re throwing a flag there, how do you not throw it on Johnson? DJ missed a couple of tackles today, but he was still all over the place. He played with a shitload of heart, and his athleticism—landing on your feet when getting flipped by an OL—was amazing. Belcher had a less impressive game. Gilberry was absolutely abused today. He generated no pressure in the passing game, and on running downs he got blown up or taken out by a single blocker nearly every time. The biggest thing that we need to take away from this game is that we have one outside receiving threat and nothing else, one pass rusher and nothing else, and no QB. Danario Alexander, a guy who many of us pined for and the Rams got off the street in August stepped in today and had 4 catches for 72 yards and a touchdown. That’s a really tough loss, but I’m proud of the fire that Flowers showed. The guy isn’t a paycheck player. Also, Haley did a masterful job of managing the emotions of the team and the game. Ultimately, our inability to generate pressure on Schaub is why we lost. Vrabel and Studebaker aren’t nearly good enough.
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10-17-2010, 05:50 PM	#186
stevieray Most things I worry about… Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $-1154727	blahblahblahblahblah you score 31 points on the road, you usually win. defense gave up four consecutive scoring drives, chiefs led that game until 28 seconds into the fourth qtr... defense choked this game away, period. It's getting really hard to come to this board and read the complete and utter dishonest BS. Haley and Pioli have been mocked since day friggen one. the patsification of the chiefs, the process. the right 53. the incessant whining about the front seven. the incessant whining about the oline. least talented roster in the league. DJ misused. Charles misued because of Thomas Jones. Dorsey sucks. Moeaki wasted pick. Tyson Jackson wasted pick. DMC wasted pick. Weis wants Clausen. we should've drafted______________( the biggest waste of time known to man)We suck. We're gonna suck. We'll be lucky to win five games. We're years away from competing. Won our first games in spite of ourselves. Clark hunt is cheap. Clark Hunt doesn't care about winning. Pioli only cares about ex Patriots. Haley has lost the team. Haley is too emotional,etc ad nausem. Defense and ST's won't win all the games (NSS) ...and then after three measley games, that we weren't really "supposed" to win, we're somehow now playoff contenders, and Cassel is the weak link? What a load of shit. ...seems everyone has forgotten what Haley has said all along. WE AREN"T THERE YET...it wasn't going to be pretty, or fancy, or big name players. He wants a complete TEAM..yet everyone expects some friggen miracle when the organization had to be almost completely gutted, coaches and FO included, and rebuilt from the ground up. no patience, no foresight, no big picture... just unrealistic expectations from people who constantly move the goal posts.
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