Collinsworth and Simms debate Matt Cassel

[Hammock Parties]

I can't believe Simms said some of the things he said.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

And he was yelling it.

this made me chuckle.

[007]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

He pretty much called him out for blowing a chance at a TD.

And he was yelling it.

Meh. He was just emphatically stating facts. Bet he does that a lot.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Gif Horse

OK, so it's not fair to judge a quarterback based on the majority of the game, just one possession.

In brutally painful [in more ways than one] fairness, that was often how Elway was judged. So many of his legendary comebacks were a function of him playing like dogshit for 3 1/2 quarters, then pulling a brilliant drive out of his ass at the last second.

But I think it's pretty clear that 'clutch' Cassel is no 'clutch' Elway, if for nothing else than the fact that Elway's comebacks resulted in amazing touchdown passes, not just getting just enough yards for an iffy FG [that'd be the Brady way, albeit he did so in the playoffs and SB, not against 0-7 cellar dwellers].

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Of course. He came through in the clutch didn't he?

Did he, really?
At the end of regulation when he needed to make plays not simply to win, but to ensure that the game isn't lost, he didn't make plays.

At the end of OT, with a minute and 23 seconds left, if he fails to make plays, the Chiefs would have to punt the ball away to the Bills with little to no time left on the clock, and the game almost assuredly ends in a tie.

It's a no lose situation.

He didn't make plays when he had to make plays to when there was still an chance to lose.

Originally Posted by RedThat

Nope just saying quarterback play should be judged from a broader scale and not a narrow scale. He came through when it mattered most.

No.

No he didn't.

It mattered most at the end of regulation.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Great, now I have to listen to you bitch relentless everytime I post... Why are you obsessed with me? Its kind of creepy if you really want to know...

I haven't seen an obsession, but if he were obsessed, I imagine it wuold be the result of your moronic hypocrisy.

[Norman Einstein]

For those fans in KC that can't stand Cassel. I invite you to find another team to be a fan of.

1. We are currently leading the West.
2. We hung in the games we lost, they were not blowouts. The Houston game only got away late and it only got away due to some egregious calls by the "officials".
3. In the last game the breaks were with us instead of against us, would you rather have it the other way?
4. Cassel is currently rated as the #10 QB in the NFL.
5. Cassel only has 3 interceptions on the season so far.

Granted he isn't a Joe Montana or Roger Staubach, but he is a decent QB.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Vince Young, QB TEN 122 72 59.0 998 8.18 71 9 2 10 103.1 143
2 Peyton Manning, QB IND 299 197 65.9 2184 7.30 73 15 2 7 101.4 312
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 306 198 64.7 2649 8.66 59 15 7 21 98.9 331
4 David Garrard, QB JAC 149 101 67.8 1098 7.37 42 13 7 15 98.8 157
5 Tom Brady, QB NE 225 147 65.3 1602 7.12 65 12 4 12 96.6 229
6 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 316 195 61.7 2509 7.94 71 12 5 21 92.7 314
8 Drew Brees, QB NO 331 234 70.7 2334 7.05 80 16 11 13 92.6 292
9 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB BUF 176 105 59.7 1200 6.82 45 12 5 11 91.1 240
10 Matt Cassel, QB KC 179 105 58.7 1196 6.68 53 10 3 8 90.4 171
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
11 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 252 156 61.9 1714 6.80 46 12 5 13 89.6 245
12 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 235 149 63.4 1739 7.40 50 10 6 19 89.3 248
13 Seneca Wallace, QB CLE 100 63 63.0 693 6.93 65 4 2 6 88.5 139
14 Eli Manning, QB NYG 239 157 65.7 1785 7.47 54 14 11 12 88.3 255
15 Josh Freeman, QB TB 224 135 60.3 1533 6.84 53 8 3 14 87.1 219
16 Kevin Kolb, QB PHI 153 97 63.4 1035 6.77 83 6 4 10 85.3 207
17 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 269 165 61.3 2011 7.48 86 12 9 16 85.3 251
18 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 236 140 59.3 1651 7.00 58 10 6 10 84.2 236
19 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 181 111 61.3 1483 8.19 89 7 7 27 84.1 247
20 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 282 168 59.6 1855 6.58 78 12 7 10 83.0 265
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
21 Jason Campbell, QB OAK 138 78 56.5 1023 7.41 69 6 4 15 82.5 171
22 Chad Henne, QB MIA 243 154 63.4 1669 6.87 46 8 7 10 82.5 238
23 Shaun Hill, QB DET 208 127 61.1 1309 6.29 75 9 7 8 79.6 218
24 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 215 114 53.0 1356 6.31 67 9 4 11 78.8 194
25 Donovan McNabb, QB WSH 277 159 57.4 1971 7.12 62 7 8 22 76.0 246
26 Sam Bradford, QB STL 292 171 58.6 1674 5.73 49 11 8 17 75.9 209
27 Alex Smith, QB SF 242 143 59.1 1554 6.42 53 9 9 13 75.0 222
28 Matt Hasselbeck, QB SEA 236 135 57.2 1411 5.98 52 6 7 22 70.8 202
29 Brett Favre, QB MIN 211 126 59.7 1450 6.87 37 7 11 14 69.8 207
30 Derek Anderson, QB ARI 155 83 53.5 980 6.32 37 4 7 10 62.8 140
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
31 Matt Moore, QB CAR 137 76 55.5 844 6.16 39 5 10 12 55.7 169

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

In brutally painful [in more ways than one] fairness, that was often how Elway was judged. So many of his legendary comebacks were a function of him playing like dogshit for 3 1/2 quarters, then pulling a brilliant drive out of his ass at the last second.

But I think it's pretty clear that 'clutch' Cassel is no 'clutch' Elway, if for nothing else than the fact that Elway's comebacks resulted in amazing touchdown passes, not just getting just enough yards for an iffy FG [that'd be the Brady way, albeit he did so in the playoffs and SB, not against 0-7 cellar dwellers].

I never really understood Dan Reeves game managment.

He had crap at RB through the years, and yet, he tried to play the game like he had crap at QB and a good running game.

Dan Reeves had more to do with Elway playing like dogshit for 3 1/2 qtrs than Elway, and when cruch time came. Elway bailed Reeves' ass out.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

For those fans in KC that can't stand Cassel. I invite you to find another team to be a fan of.

1. We are currently leading the West.
2. We hung in the games we lost, they were not blowouts. The Houston game only got away late and it only got away due to some egregious calls by the "officials".
3. In the last game the breaks were with us instead of against us, would you rather have it the other way?
4. Cassel is currently rated as the #10 QB in the NFL.
5. Cassel only has 3 interceptions on the season so far.

Granted he isn't a Joe Montana or Roger Staubach, but he is a decent QB.

Quarterback Rating Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Vince Young, QB TEN 122 72 59.0 998 8.18 71 9 2 10 103.1 143
2 Peyton Manning, QB IND 299 197 65.9 2184 7.30 73 15 2 7 101.4 312
3 Philip Rivers, QB SD 306 198 64.7 2649 8.66 59 15 7 21 98.9 331
4 David Garrard, QB JAC 149 101 67.8 1098 7.37 42 13 7 15 98.8 157
5 Tom Brady, QB NE 225 147 65.3 1602 7.12 65 12 4 12 96.6 229
6 Tony Romo, QB DAL 213 148 69.5 1605 7.54 69 11 7 7 94.9 268
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 316 195 61.7 2509 7.94 71 12 5 21 92.7 314
8 Drew Brees, QB NO 331 234 70.7 2334 7.05 80 16 11 13 92.6 292
9 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB BUF 176 105 59.7 1200 6.82 45 12 5 11 91.1 240
10 Matt Cassel, QB KC 179 105 58.7 1196 6.68 53 10 3 8 90.4 171
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
11 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 252 156 61.9 1714 6.80 46 12 5 13 89.6 245
12 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 235 149 63.4 1739 7.40 50 10 6 19 89.3 248
13 Seneca Wallace, QB CLE 100 63 63.0 693 6.93 65 4 2 6 88.5 139
14 Eli Manning, QB NYG 239 157 65.7 1785 7.47 54 14 11 12 88.3 255
15 Josh Freeman, QB TB 224 135 60.3 1533 6.84 53 8 3 14 87.1 219
16 Kevin Kolb, QB PHI 153 97 63.4 1035 6.77 83 6 4 10 85.3 207
17 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 269 165 61.3 2011 7.48 86 12 9 16 85.3 251
18 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 236 140 59.3 1651 7.00 58 10 6 10 84.2 236
19 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 181 111 61.3 1483 8.19 89 7 7 27 84.1 247
20 Carson Palmer, QB CIN 282 168 59.6 1855 6.58 78 12 7 10 83.0 265
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
21 Jason Campbell, QB OAK 138 78 56.5 1023 7.41 69 6 4 15 82.5 171
22 Chad Henne, QB MIA 243 154 63.4 1669 6.87 46 8 7 10 82.5 238
23 Shaun Hill, QB DET 208 127 61.1 1309 6.29 75 9 7 8 79.6 218
24 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 215 114 53.0 1356 6.31 67 9 4 11 78.8 194
25 Donovan McNabb, QB WSH 277 159 57.4 1971 7.12 62 7 8 22 76.0 246
26 Sam Bradford, QB STL 292 171 58.6 1674 5.73 49 11 8 17 75.9 209
27 Alex Smith, QB SF 242 143 59.1 1554 6.42 53 9 9 13 75.0 222
28 Matt Hasselbeck, QB SEA 236 135 57.2 1411 5.98 52 6 7 22 70.8 202
29 Brett Favre, QB MIN 211 126 59.7 1450 6.87 37 7 11 14 69.8 207
30 Derek Anderson, QB ARI 155 83 53.5 980 6.32 37 4 7 10 62.8 140
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
31 Matt Moore, QB CAR 137 76 55.5 844 6.16 39 5 10 12 55.7 169

I invite you to go **** yourself with a rusty chain saw.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

4. Cassel is currently rated as the #10 QB in the NFL.

So tired of this.

At the end of the first half against Buffalo - a pathetic first half - his QB rating was 95.3.

QB rating is a bunch of shit.

The only reason his QB rating looks good is his TD/INT ratio.

That's a product of Moeaki and Bowe making 4 highlight reel plays for TDs and Weis putting Cassel on a leash to limit his picks.

[TimeForWasp]

I hate Collinsworthless I can't remember a time that he has ever said a good thing about the chiefs or any player on the chiefs team unless it is totally obvious. He obviously hates the chiefs and I obviously hate him.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Norman Einstein

For those fans in KC that can't stand Cassel. I invite you to find another team to be a fan of.

1. We are currently leading the West.
2. We hung in the games we lost, they were not blowouts. The Houston game only got away late and it only got away due to some egregious calls by the "officials".
3. In the last game the breaks were with us instead of against us, would you rather have it the other way?
4. Cassel is currently rated as the #10 QB in the NFL.
5. Cassel only has 3 interceptions on the season so far.

Granted he isn't a Joe Montana or Roger Staubach, but he is a decent QB.

I never really understood this type of logic. Where does it say that if one does not like a cartain player on a team, that one should find another team to root for?

I absolutely HATED Elvis Grbac - but KC was my favorite team even when he was the QB. Felt the same with with Todd Blackledge & Bill Kenney. Point is if ya don't like the QB, you don't have to root for another team.

BTW - I am a fan of Matt Cassel (So far) I feel that he can grow with the team. Time will tell.

[HotRoute]

sure matt cassel isnt going to put up huge numbers, but we are winning games and that is what matters. Id rather have a guy like him, instead of a kyle orton type, who has a ton of yards and stats but not many wins to go with them. The most important stats in the NFL are Wins and loses IMHO

[Fish]

Originally Posted by KC111110

sure matt cassel isnt going to put up huge numbers, but we are winning games and that is what matters. Id rather have a guy like him, instead of a kyle orton type, who has a ton of yards and stats but not many wins to go with them. The most important stats in the NFL are Wins and loses IMHO

What? You don't think we'd have as many wins as we do if we had a QB who could put up much better stats than Cassel?

What kind of logic is that?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by KC111110

sure matt cassel isnt going to put up huge numbers, but we are winning games and that is what matters. Id rather have a guy like him, instead of a kyle orton type, who has a ton of yards and stats but not many wins to go with them. The most important stats in the NFL are Wins and loses IMHO

At the end of the day, football is still a team game.

Orton is putting huge stats on a crap team, a team that can't run the ball. or stop anyone on defense.

Orton, on this Chiefs team, this team would be 6-1 with a win at Indy, and possibly 7-0, with a completion on 3rd an 2 against the Texans.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by milkman

Orton, on this Chiefs team, this team would be 6-1 with a win at Indy,.

Orton is going to throw it and catch it too?

[HotRoute]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

What? You don't think we'd have as many wins as we do if we had a QB who could put up much better stats than Cassel?

What kind of logic is that?

My point is i would rather have wins than yardage. That is my logic. Im not saying we wouldnt have more wins if cassel had ortens numbers, but i wouldnt make that sacrafice if it meant we would be 2-6 right now