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Old 12-09-2010, 03:51 PM  
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Rick Gosselin's 2010 First Round Re-Do
Interesting.

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/nwsl...l.2cb2465.html

Here's got Berry going 12th now. The Chiefs taking Dez Bryant at 5 instead of Berry. Not sure I agree with that, but whatever.

Three Patriots in "new" 1st round.
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Old 12-10-2010, 10:55 PM   #136
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No way.

You can get a perrenial pro bowl quality center in the second round or very late first (at the earliest)
Really? On a consistent basis?

I disagree.

Rarely does Pre-Draft value equal Post-Draft value. If you can get a perennial Pro Bowler with any first round draft pick, whether it's first, second, third, or 15th, you do it.

In 1993, do you think that the Cardinals would have rather had Will Shields #3 overall or Garrison Hearst?
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:05 PM   #137
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Really? On a consistent basis?

I disagree.

Rarely does Pre-Draft value equal Post-Draft value. If you can get a perennial Pro Bowler with any first round draft pick, whether it's first, second, third, or 15th, you do it.

In 1993, do you think that the Cardinals would have rather had Will Shields #3 overall or Garrison Hearst?
There are a slew of players I would rather have over him at 3... from this last draft, especially.

I value OL more than most on this board, but taking a center at 3 is foolish no matter the quality of the player.

Like I said, I would have little issue with us taking one with our next pick if one that is worth that pick is there. I would like to hear what some say about his brother in the upcoming draft...if he is there and they feel he can play center at a similar level to his brother, it would be a damn good pick IMO

Nick Mangold and Alex Mack is about where ELITE centers go, Pittsburgh reached a tad but #18 isnt that bad...that may be the new line for where you can draft an elite one. Also, take into account that they had little needs and he was a perfect fit for what they want fro the position.

#3 overall would be foolish.

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Let me ask you this...would you rather have a 10 year probowl center, or a guy that can make three or four career probowls as a pass rusher?
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:16 PM   #138
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:17 PM   #139
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Haven't we been berated enough about only LT top twenty or so. Def not top five. Don't make me search tomorrow
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:19 PM   #140
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Let me ask you this...would you rather have a 10 year probowl center, or a guy that can make three or four career probowls as a pass rusher?
That's not the point.

If you're going "re-draft", tell us all right now who would be a better value at a need position than Pouncey to the Bucs?

McCoy has been a disappointment and compared to Pouncey, he's a MAJOR disappointment.

If my team needed a center and a pass rusher and I absolutely knew without a doubt that if I chose the pass rusher, I'd get four Pro Bowls out of him versus ten with a center in the same spot, I'd take the pass rusher.

The problem is that no one ever truly knows for a fact before the draft. That's why a hindsight re-draft like this is interesting.

Again, it's the Post-Draft value that's important.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:21 PM   #141
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Can see that point. But I would still take berry over thomas. And no center top three lol
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That's not the point.

If you're going "re-draft", tell us all right now who would be a better value at a need position than Pouncey to the Bucs?

McCoy has been a disappointment and compared to Pouncey, he's a MAJOR disappointment.

If my team needed a center and a pass rusher and I absolutely knew without a doubt that if I chose the pass rusher, I'd get four Pro Bowls out of him versus ten with a center in the same spot, I'd take the pass rusher.

The problem is that no one ever truly knows for a fact before the draft. That's why a hindsight re-draft like this is interesting.

Again, it's the Post-Draft value that's important.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:26 PM   #142
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Can see that point. But I would still take berry over thomas. And no center top three lol
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For this team? Absolutely.

As I mentioned earlier, if you're looking at this "Re-Draft", do you take Dez Bryant and Nate Allen (a much better fit for this defense than Earl Thomas) or do you take Berry & McCluster?

I don't think Earl Thomas was even on the Chiefs radar because his particular skillset doesn't fit Romeo's defense.

And if this were 2009, I'd be absolutely thrilled with Pouncey over Jackson.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:28 PM   #143
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:34 PM   #144
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Talking about Jackson, I wonder if he will make any impact in this game.

Remember, he played quite well in the last matchup till he got hurt.
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Talking about Jackson, I wonder if he will make any impact in this game.

Remember, he played quite well in the last matchup till he got hurt.
True. That was a really solid 3 minutes of play.
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This "Re-Draft" had Dez Bryant at five and Berry to Seattle at #12.

Where does this talk of Thomas or Allen even enter the equation? Where are you coming from, Jason? I don't get it.
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Talking about Jackson, I wonder if he will make any impact in this game.

Remember, he played quite well in the last matchup till he got hurt.
Your implication is that he played well due to the matchup, which is no longer the same since McNeil returned.

Jackson looked "decent" in two quarters out of 112. It's not likely that he returns to that form on Sunday, although it would most certainly be welcome.
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Your implication is that he played well due to the matchup, which is no longer the same since McNeil returned.

Jackson looked "decent" in two quarters out of 112. It's not likely that he returns to that form on Sunday, although it would most certainly be welcome.
Jackson is a LDE, McNeil has nothing to do with his specific matchup in that game. My use of "matchup" was more due to the teams matchup rather than the individual player matchups, though.

In those 2 quarters, he got like 6 tackles and played a role in getting the lead and limiting their running game.
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This "Re-Draft" had Dez Bryant at five and Berry to Seattle at #12.

Where does this talk of Thomas or Allen even enter the equation? Where are you coming from, Jason? I don't get it.
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