I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow

[RedThat]

The kid deserves some respect.

After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership.

To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada

Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it.

I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too.

However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work you sure as heck got my support.

[diveonthefloor31]

Cassel is tougher than nails
Tougher than beef jerky
Tougher than a burnt KC strip steak
Tougher than a Sherman tank

What the heck was that play call QB sweep?

And what I like best about Cassel? He is a big a fan as the best Chief's fan on this message board. He leads his team, motivates his team, inspires his team....
Holy crap that guy is a player!

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Thing is, for all the talk of perspective, the real perspective we're all gonna get is what shitty shitty opponents we've been bequeathed by our 2009 record, the state of our AFCW, and our NFCW division opponent.

When the season began... Both the Saints and Chargers had weaker schedules than the Chiefs. You ready to dismiss the numbers Brees and Rivers have put up this season because of that fact? I didn't think so...

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

And if he doesn't this year, we will get numerous posts from you about how you were right and how he sucks.

The fact this team is even looking at the playoffs in year 2 of a massive rebuild is impressive as hell.

We are a year ahead of schedule mainly bc of the play of Cassel this year. I am happy we are winning and he is playing great. But the bottom line is I want playoff wins, I want us to be the Patriots and Steelers. I really don't want to be right at all about Cassel, I'm not some miserable douche like Mecca. I just want the Chiefs to win and to me that means in the postseason.

[KChiefs1]

QB is the least of this team's worries right now...

[Bane]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So is Chiefsplanet happy to have Cassel for the next 5 years now? Serious question.

Just FYI asshole,the Chiefs have won 3 times as many games as the Donks at the present time.....Eat shit troll.Serious answer.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Okay you got some good points. I will give you credit. And the Chiefs did play some good competition this year ala Indy, Jacksonville.

Throw in the Chargers and that gives them a total of 4 games (out of 14) against teams above .500. Not exactly a run of playoff opponents. But we knew that before the season started, and I think we're probably all thrilled with where they are right now, both the team and Cassel.

I'm just trying to keep the enthusiasm tempered with a bit of reality...

[cdcox]

Well, you don't get to decide when I eat crow. My bar has always been a franchise-level QB. Someone that can make a playoff-level defense play 100% honest in order to keep the running game open. Someone who can trot on the field with the game on the line and the other team gets a little weak in the knees. The kind of QB that will give us a chance to win a SB year after year.

Kudos to Cassel to having a very good year. It doesn't look like he will be the limiting factor this season. I'll give him that.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

I'll eat it, pass the hot sauce

[WV]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Okay but just don't throw it over your shoulder. I beg you please.

Afraid of Seabass??

[-King-]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

We are a year ahead of schedule mainly bc of the play of Cassel this year. I am happy we are winning and he is playing great. But the bottom line is I want playoff wins, I want us to be the Patriots and Steelers. I really don't want to be right at all about Cassel, I'm not some miserable douche like Mecca. I just want the Chiefs to win and to me that means in the postseason.

Agreed. Hope we can trade for Larry Fitzgerald or draft Julio Jones or someone like that. Our Offense will be dangerous then.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

We are a year ahead of schedule mainly bc of the play of Cassel this year. I am happy we are winning and he is playing great. But the bottom line is I want playoff wins, I want us to be the Patriots and Steelers. I really don't want to be right at all about Cassel, I'm not some miserable douche like Mecca. I just want the Chiefs to win and to me that means in the postseason.

I agree with your point. Unfortunately, we have to be realistic with the idea that this team isn't quite there yet and that's a pretty tall order for a guy who probably won't get too much help in the playoffs.

Regardless of how well Cassel plays in the playoffs (if we get there), this team as a whole is probably not going deep. All I cared about this season was Cassel proving or not proving he can be a guy we can depend on.

I think it's safe to say he bought another year. However, I'm still on board with drafting a QB early. Say, a Christian Ponder type guy.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

We are a year ahead of schedule mainly bc of the play of Cassel this year. I am happy we are winning and he is playing great. But the bottom line is I want playoff wins, I want us to be the Patriots and Steelers. I really don't want to be right at all about Cassel, I'm not some miserable douche like Mecca. I just want the Chiefs to win and to me that means in the postseason.

Im with you on your post. But, all I got to say is, one step at a time Chiefscountry. One step at a time. Zach said it well lets just keep winning. We control our own destiny. And if the time comes if we do make it, then we could start looking at the playoffs, and want wins. If we don't make it, no point stressing about the playoffs.

*I want the Chiefs to be like the Patriots and Steelers as well. And I think those are the two teams they are trying to be like.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

We are a year ahead of schedule mainly bc of the play of Cassel this year. I am happy we are winning and he is playing great. But the bottom line is I want playoff wins, I want us to be the Patriots and Steelers. I really don't want to be right at all about Cassel, I'm not some miserable douche like Mecca. I just want the Chiefs to win and to me that means in the postseason.

Here's the thing.

We've watched as Cassel has grown before our very eyes this season, but even were he Peyton Manning, there just isn't enough talent on this team, on either side of the ball, to overcome our shortcomings against SB quality opponents, and that is no way should be a reflection on Cassel.

We saw how much Manning struggles, the guy some think is the best ever, without his full complement of talent around him.

The bottom line, QB is the most important position on the field, and we are seeing Cassel grow into the role of the leader of this team as the weeks go by, but it is still a team sport, hell, the ultimate team sport, and we just have too many deficiencies ot overcome to expect anyone to overcome them.

Originally Posted by Micjones

Hilarious for two reasons.
1. He's outplayed BOTH of them this season.
2. Neither of them have ever won a Superbowl.

Micj - he's a white guy.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by milkman

Lenny Dawson was a game manager.

Troy Aikman was a game manager.

Terry Bradshaw was a game manager.

Bart Starr was the very epitome of game manager.

But they were also franchise QBs.

The is to have a game manager who plays *****tard-play free, no banging hail marys off the goalpost, no flea flickers turned into 2 yard checkdowns thrown into the lineman's mitts, no screen passes 5 feet over the RB's head, no non-blindside sack strips when you have time to get rid of it, no RZ pick-6s, no finding the one guy who's triple covered and trying to sling into the crowd, etc, etc.

And Cassel's slowly but steadily cutting down on those, but hasn't erased them totally, to where I can sit back and say 'well he'll probably never do anything reeruned again.'

Hence, coupled with the epic nature of previous *****tard plays, the wait-and-see.

And BTW, did you see the '100 greatest' segment on Bart Starr? Made a compelling case that he was called upon to be a game manager by design and mindset, but was repeatedly proven capable of much more when the time came for it. Accompanied by a string of sick throws to reinforce the take.