Chiefs I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow - Page 9

RedThat · 12-19-2010, 03:44 PM

The kid deserves some respect.

After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership.

To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada

Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it.

I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too.

However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work

you sure as heck got my support.

InChiefsHeaven · 12-19-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Uh, no. Quit putting words into my mouth. Again.

Nowhere have I said failure.

Milkman said he needed more talent around him.

I pointed out that franchise QB's can get it done without it. They make everyone better.

At this point, he's a good game manager. Which I'll admit, is more than I thought he was capable of.

Maybe. But game managers don't rush for 2 first downs (well, one that almost was a first down) after having their appendix removed. Matt is a little more than just a game manager. how much more remains to be seen...but this dude can get it done. Now it's up to the supporting cast...

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Welp, that was easy.

One guy is a franchise QB that won a SB with very little around him

The other is a guy that everyone says needs more around him.

And for what it's worth, I was impressed with his toughness and leadership today. I'll be honest, he made some decisions and throws that had he been 100%, I'd be disappointed with. But considering his condition, he got the job done today.

But I didn't see anything that changes my mind about him being capable of winning a SB. Not sure why today is the day people should be eating crow.

Good win, time to get two more and get this young roster some playoff experience.

Here's the standard I'll throw down. How many NFL QBs can take this current Chiefs' team deep into the playoffs? Given that our defense is probably going to get handled by good offenses and given that our o-line is probably going to get outmatched by dominant defensive lines? A handful, if any. Of course I'd love to have our own version of Brady or Peyton or Brees. But that's a tough standard and 95% of teams won't find that.

I just want to see Cassel make smart decisions in the playoffs and play like a confident leader. I obviously want to win, but realistically, this team as a whole isn't good enough. And no, this team as a whole doesn't hold a candle to the 2001 Patriots, who by the way, shut the Greatest Show on Turf down in the biggest game of the season.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Actually path, your question was directed at the post above, and I said that there was a lack of talent, on bith sides of the ball.

Yes, you did.

But Cassel doesn't play defense. We can only compare what he has on offense compared to what Brady had. And I don't think the Chiefs are less talented on offense than that squad.

Marcellus · 12-19-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I agree.

He made some mind-numbing decisions/throws today, but I'm not going to crucify him for them. Dude's playing 11 days after having his appendix removed.

I respect the hell out of his toughness.

I'm just wondering why today is the day people should be eating crow.

It's not today, it is the season.

Micjones · 12-19-2010, 04:37 PM

Yep. Brady won that '01 Superbowl all by himself.
Damn the 1,100 rusher he had in Antowain Smith who also scored 12 TD's.
Damn the 1,100 yard pass catcher he had in Troy Brown.
Damn the 700+ yards he got from his #2.
Damn the Top 10 defense he ALSO had.

Boy I tell ya...

Marcellus · 12-19-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yes, you did.

But Cassel doesn't play defense. We can only compare what he has on offense compared to what Brady had. And I don't think the Chiefs are less talented on offense than that squad.

Yes they are because Cassel isn't Brady. As well as about 28 QB's starting in the league right now.

Do you not see what you are making a comparison too?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Uh, no. Quit putting words into my mouth. Again.

Nowhere have I said failure.

Milkman said he needed more talent around him.

I pointed out that franchise QB's can get it done without it. They make everyone better.

At this point, he's a good game manager. Which I'll admit, is more than I thought he was capable of.

What more are you asking for?

His receivers dropped 4 catchable 3rd down passes today in the most critical moments of the game (early on).

His offensive line was below average today, but Cassel consistently escaped pressure and found spots in the pocket to extend plays.

The defense played like shit early, but Cassel still played remarkably well in the first quarter (in spite of what the drive charts will tell you).

Cassel wasn't a game manager today. He was a guy who played behind a shaky offensive line, an average running game today, and receivers who refused to catch the ball. Matt Cassel WAS the offense today. Just as he was against Arizona and Seattle. Those are things I couldn't say even in convincing wins against Jacksonville and Seattle.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Here's the standard I'll throw down. How many NFL QBs can take this current Chiefs' team deep into the playoffs?

Stop.

Who expects Cassel to take this team deep into the playoffs?

I just posted the other day that I won't be that upset if they were to make it and lose in the first round, because the experience itself is invaluable.

But you guys can't have it both ways.

There are posts asking why we people think we can't win in the playoffs, then posts like yours that imply we're an inferior team.

**Baby Lee** · 12-19-2010, 04:43 PM

What's also infuriating is trying to debate a set of goal posts set on strobe;

Oh, if he isn't Brady, he's a failure.

You gotta admit he's gotten better

I think he'll be one of the elites

Only 1 or teams in the league get that elite franchise

I can't think of any other QB I'd rather have

C'mon at least respect the strides he's made

You're gonna feel stupid when he's leading a dynasty one day

How can you hate on him after his numbers . . .

It's enough to put you into an epileptic fit.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-19-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yes they are because Cassel isn't Brady. As well as about 28 QB's starting in the league right now.

Do you not see what you are making a comparison too?

So Brady was a franchise QB that regular season?

milkman · 12-19-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yes, you did.

But Cassel doesn't play defense. We can only compare what he has on offense compared to what Brady had. And I don't think the Chiefs are less talented on offense than that squad.

Perhaps not, but I do think that O-Line for the Pats was much better than this line, even with the offseason additions that improved this line.

We are better, by far, at the RB position, and Bowe is better than any receiver on that Patriot team, but at the end of the day, I'm still a guy that believes games are won, or lost in the trenches.

And the Patriots were better there on both sides of the ball.

Micjones · 12-19-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

What's also infuriating is trying to debate a set of goal posts set on strobe;

Oh, if he isn't Brady, he's a failure.

You gotta admit he's gotten better

I think he'll be one of the elites

Only 1 or teams in the league get that elite franchise

I can't think of any other QB I'd rather have

C'mon at least respect the strides he's made

You're gonna feel stupid when he's leading a dynasty one day

How can you hate on him after his numbers . . .

It's enough to put you into an epileptic fit.

Not sure how that's moving the goalposts when most of those sentiments are accompanied by a number of DIFFERENT people who've expressed them.

Marcellus · 12-19-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Stop.

Who expects Cassel to take this team deep into the playoffs?

I just posted the other day that I won't be that upset if they were to make it and lose in the first round, because the experience itself is invaluable.

But you guys can't have it both ways.

There are posts asking why we people think we can't win in the playoffs, then posts like yours that imply we're an inferior team.

It goes both ways. Nobody thought Cassel would lead this team to the playoffs.

Now if we lose it will be lit up with failure posts.

Bottom line is the team and Cassel have both exceeded expectation.

Yea we have warts, but we knew that. The bottom line is the team has covered the warts most of the year and have a chance to apply some wart remover in the offseason.

**Ming the Merciless** · 12-19-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

What's also infuriating is trying to debate a set of goal posts set on strobe;

Oh, if he isn't Brady, he's a failure.

You gotta admit he's gotten better

I think he'll be one of the elites

Only 1 or teams in the league get that elite franchise

I can't think of any other QB I'd rather have

C'mon at least respect the strides he's made

You're gonna feel stupid when he's leading a dynasty one day

How can you hate on him after his numbers . . .

It's enough to put you into an epileptic fit.

**** all of that shit....Whoever says any of that stuff is going to extremes to either get a reaction or is just a moron.

The vast majority of people on CP (at least who actually made posts) were HIGHLY negative about Cassel and didn't think he would do shit this season.

They were wrong, period. No need to go any further than that...They were horribly horribly wrong about Cassel...

They can TRY to move the goal posts all they want to, because it makes them feel better....But deep down they know they didn't give him enough of a chance before they gave up on the kid. **** them...He is improving and has a ways to go, he proved he isn't garbage, he proved he is a pretty good QB, now lets see what else he can prove.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yes, you did.

But Cassel doesn't play defense. We can only compare what he has on offense compared to what Brady had. And I don't think the Chiefs are less talented on offense than that squad.

Brady's defense in 2001 gave up 13 points, 17 points, and 17 points. And that Super Bowl 17 points was against arguably the best offense of the decade led by Kurt Warner.

And as far talent comparisons, it's not that far off. The Pats had a reliable receiver in Troy Brown (the Chiefs have a wildly inconsistent receiver in Bowe), a reliable Running Back in Antowain Smith (advantage Chiefs here), and a terrific offensive line behind Matt Light, Damien Woody, and Joe Andruzzi. There is a negligible difference between the two offenses.

As for the Pats' offense, they held Gannon to less than 200 yards and Garner to less than 75 yards against Oakland, forced 3 INTs against Kordell in the AFC Championship game, and held an offensive powerhouse in St. Louis to 17 points (including 2 INTs). Do you see the Chiefs' defense as being even close to good enough to help the team out in that way?

It's a complete apples-to-oranges comparison. The Pats' defense in the 2001 season was absolutely dominant.

12-19-2010, 03:44 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I think its time for the Cassel doubters to eat their crow The kid deserves some respect. After todays game Im starting to believe in the guy as our quarterback. He just displayed a true testament of toughness out there and leadership. To some people I understand its about him leading us to the playoffs and winning the superbowl in order for them to be satisfied...yada yada yada Im not going to go by that mindset at all. I look at this game and I see the way he played and it tells me a lot about his character. We should be proud. We got a pretty good quarterback folks. That 2nd round pick we gave up was well worth it. I think composure, toughness, and leadership are key attributes for a quarterback. Cassel has those qualities and I also love the fact that he plays with passion too. However, I believe the number one attribute as a quarterback is the ability to respond under pressure. So now I don't want to jump the gun here and say he has that capability, but I will say, after coming back from an appendectomy and performing the way he did, is a great sign and a step in the direction towards performing well under pressure. So far so good Matt. Keep up the good work you sure as heck got my support.
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Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	Yep. Brady won that '01 Superbowl all by himself. Damn the 1,100 rusher he had in Antowain Smith who also scored 12 TD's. Damn the 1,100 yard pass catcher he had in Troy Brown. Damn the 700+ yards he got from his #2. Damn the Top 10 defense he ALSO had. Boy I tell ya... __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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12-19-2010, 04:43 PM	#129
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	What's also infuriating is trying to debate a set of goal posts set on strobe; Oh, if he isn't Brady, he's a failure. You gotta admit he's gotten better I think he'll be one of the elites Only 1 or teams in the league get that elite franchise I can't think of any other QB I'd rather have C'mon at least respect the strides he's made You're gonna feel stupid when he's leading a dynasty one day How can you hate on him after his numbers . . . It's enough to put you into an epileptic fit. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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