Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-03-2011, 09:04 PM   #1
duncan_idaho duncan_idaho is offline
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
 
duncan_idaho's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $1490308
A couple of thoughts...

Blaine Gabbert will be a better NFL quarterback in terms of production than he was in college. This is a great decision for him, IMO. Even IF Mallett comes out, Gabbert will crush him in terms of athleticism, interviews, and overall IQ. Gabbert is a far superior athlete (Mallett is a Bledsoe-esque statue). He'll crush the Wonderlic.

Can't wait for Mallett's test results on that... or to hear what teams think of him after hearing him wig it out.

On Franklin... he'll have to fight off the younger Gabbert. Both are more typical spread QBs than Blaine, so that will be interesting. I think Franklin-Smith are kind of like Welker-Moe comparisons. Really not that apt, and only one main similarity... Franklin is a quicker runner than Gabbert, but he is nowhere close to Brad Smith in terms of top-end speed or agility. I think he's a better runner than Daniel and Blaine and a better thrower than Brad. Zac Robinson, former oSu QB, probably is a better comparison.

Tyler Gabbert is the closest thing to Chase Daniel on the roster.

If Gabbert goes in the top 10 (or five, which is a possibility whether Luck comes out or stays), that can only help with guys like Gunner Kiel and Maty Mauk. Land one of those 2012 QBs, and the chances of nabbing Dorial Green improve.

Finally, on next year... losing Gabbert and Smith doesn't mean the season is in the dumps.

Missouri's depth at DE will really blunt the loss of Smith (especially if Kony Ealy bursts on to the scene as expected). And let's see what happens during spring practice before we say the QB situation is going to be a disaster.

Franklin walks into about as good a situation as possible for a first-time starting QB. Strong offensive line, experienced RB stable, experienced WRs corps (with some explosive newcomers like Jimmie Hunt to factor in).

It honestly wouldn't surprise me to the see the offense be a little more effective with Franklin running the show. For all of Gabbert's strengths, his tendency to take crucial sacks (for HUGE losses), his lack of efficiency on third down, and his lack of accuracy on deep balls also created some issues.
__________________
"You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass."
---- Sinatra
Posts: 21,146
duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2011, 10:05 PM   #2
notorious notorious is offline
Supporter
 
notorious's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Who knows?
Casino cash: $2665884


?
Posts: 83,548
notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2011, 09:01 AM   #3
'Hamas' Jenkins 'Hamas' Jenkins is offline
Now you've pissed me off!
 
'Hamas' Jenkins's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Casino cash: $7959572
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho View Post
A couple of thoughts...

Blaine Gabbert will be a better NFL quarterback in terms of production than he was in college. This is a great decision for him, IMO. Even IF Mallett comes out, Gabbert will crush him in terms of athleticism, interviews, and overall IQ. Gabbert is a far superior athlete (Mallett is a Bledsoe-esque statue). He'll crush the Wonderlic.

Can't wait for Mallett's test results on that... or to hear what teams think of him after hearing him wig it out.

On Franklin... he'll have to fight off the younger Gabbert. Both are more typical spread QBs than Blaine, so that will be interesting. I think Franklin-Smith are kind of like Welker-Moe comparisons. Really not that apt, and only one main similarity... Franklin is a quicker runner than Gabbert, but he is nowhere close to Brad Smith in terms of top-end speed or agility. I think he's a better runner than Daniel and Blaine and a better thrower than Brad. Zac Robinson, former oSu QB, probably is a better comparison.

Tyler Gabbert is the closest thing to Chase Daniel on the roster.

If Gabbert goes in the top 10 (or five, which is a possibility whether Luck comes out or stays), that can only help with guys like Gunner Kiel and Maty Mauk. Land one of those 2012 QBs, and the chances of nabbing Dorial Green improve.

Finally, on next year... losing Gabbert and Smith doesn't mean the season is in the dumps.

Missouri's depth at DE will really blunt the loss of Smith (especially if Kony Ealy bursts on to the scene as expected). And let's see what happens during spring practice before we say the QB situation is going to be a disaster.

Franklin walks into about as good a situation as possible for a first-time starting QB. Strong offensive line, experienced RB stable, experienced WRs corps (with some explosive newcomers like Jimmie Hunt to factor in).

It honestly wouldn't surprise me to the see the offense be a little more effective with Franklin running the show. For all of Gabbert's strengths, his tendency to take crucial sacks (for HUGE losses), his lack of efficiency on third down, and his lack of accuracy on deep balls also created some issues.
I mostly agree with this, but I do have some points of contention:

1) For as good as Madison, Sam, and Jacquies were this season (and for as promising as Kony Ealy has supposedly looked), Aldon was a guy you could expect to beat NFL-caliber tackles. I don't think that any of them, save for Ealy, have the athletic ability to do that. Look at the Iowa game, for example. That's a really good college line, and they all were completely absent (save for Madison's PF), whereas Aldon was constantly getting into the backfield and disrupting plays.

Losing Aldon is the difference between having the best DL in the nation and arguably the best in the conference. He was the most important player, and the best, on that defense. You can't underscore how important it is to lose a pass rusher like that. I'd compare it to the New York Giants losing a prime Strahan. For as good as Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, et. al are, there's not necessarily the one absolute terror off the line that can change a game at any point.

2) Franklin is a better fit for Yost's reerun version of the spread, but keep in mind that Gabbert's talents allowed for him to make throws that simply could not be done by any QB we've ever had. Those 3rd and forevers that we were picking up in the bowl game can only be done if you have a rocket arm that can place the ball into super tight windows. That's a big loss.

3) You can't underestimate the importance of losing a Sr. QB who has 2 years of starting, and another year of intermittent playing time, when you are going into Norman, and you have to face Texas. Sr. QBs often make a huge leap their final year, even if they were already pretty good: McCoy, Harrell, and others.

4) Losing Gabbert "****s" us from the perspective of being a darkhorse NC contender. Again, I really like James Franklin, but when you lose your two best players at the two most important positions on the field when you were counting on their return, it can't help but blunt expectations.
__________________
"When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 74,848
'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.'Hamas' Jenkins is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2011, 09:35 AM   #4
duncan_idaho duncan_idaho is offline
M-I-Z-Z-O-U
 
duncan_idaho's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kansas City
Casino cash: $1490308
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins View Post
I mostly agree with this, but I do have some points of contention:

1) For as good as Madison, Sam, and Jacquies were this season (and for as promising as Kony Ealy has supposedly looked), Aldon was a guy you could expect to beat NFL-caliber tackles. I don't think that any of them, save for Ealy, have the athletic ability to do that. Look at the Iowa game, for example. That's a really good college line, and they all were completely absent (save for Madison's PF), whereas Aldon was constantly getting into the backfield and disrupting plays.

Losing Aldon is the difference between having the best DL in the nation and arguably the best in the conference. He was the most important player, and the best, on that defense. You can't underscore how important it is to lose a pass rusher like that. I'd compare it to the New York Giants losing a prime Strahan. For as good as Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, et. al are, there's not necessarily the one absolute terror off the line that can change a game at any point.

2) Franklin is a better fit for Yost's reerun version of the spread, but keep in mind that Gabbert's talents allowed for him to make throws that simply could not be done by any QB we've ever had. Those 3rd and forevers that we were picking up in the bowl game can only be done if you have a rocket arm that can place the ball into super tight windows. That's a big loss.

3) You can't underestimate the importance of losing a Sr. QB who has 2 years of starting, and another year of intermittent playing time, when you are going into Norman, and you have to face Texas. Sr. QBs often make a huge leap their final year, even if they were already pretty good: McCoy, Harrell, and others.

4) Losing Gabbert "****s" us from the perspective of being a darkhorse NC contender. Again, I really like James Franklin, but when you lose your two best players at the two most important positions on the field when you were counting on their return, it can't help but blunt expectations.
I thought Aldon pretty much disappeared in the bowl game, honestly. As well as the entire defensive line. Part of that was because Stanzi only threw the ball 21 times - and a lot of those off of play-action, part of it was because Iowa wasn't in many predictable passing situations.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be missed, because obviously he will. Just that Missouri still will have a damn good defensive line. It still can be the best DL in the Big 12, if Hamilton is healthy and recovered and Richardson makes the expected impact.

Gabbert's arm allowed the Tigers to pick up some 3rd and forevers, but he also was pretty inefficient on third down and did not throw the deep ball well at all. Franklin doesn't have the otherworldly arm strength Gabbert did, but he's no Chase Daniel or Brad Smith. He has a strong arm.

And yeah, losing those two tempers some expectations, but it doesn't kill them IMO. Winning in Norman looks pretty tough now, but I like the odds in the rest of the games. Texas still looks like a QB-less ship, and Mack Brown has to rebuild his entire staff. (And it's at home). oSu is going to be without Blackmon and possibly Wheeden, and definitely Hunter (though they have a deep stable of backs to fall back upon).

The new Big Ten still will be wide open.
__________________
"You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass."
---- Sinatra
Posts: 21,146
duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.duncan_idaho is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:24 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.