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Old 03-02-2011, 09:43 AM  
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Fred Phelps wins

The Supreme Court has just ruled in an 8-1 decision that if you protest at a funeral, you are immune to lawsuits from the family for inflicting emotional distress.

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"Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and -- as it did here -- inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker,"
The Chief Justice wrote the opinion. The dissent was written by Alito.

From Alito's lone dissent:

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"Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case,"
No one disputed that you have a right to protest at a funeral (ie, you cant be thrown into jail or barred by the government), the question was whether you could be sued if your protest emotionally damages your target at a funeral.

The $5 million judgment against the Phelps clan has been thrown out, and now the father of the dead marine who originally sued has to pay the Phelps' legal bills.

edit: oh, also for the legal nerds out there, that windbag justice Breyer apparently wasn't satisfied with simply signing onto the majority opinion, he wrote his own concurring opinion.

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Old 03-02-2011, 10:56 AM   #46
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:59 AM   #47
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Inspired by the homophobic beating and murder of Matthew Shepard these Angels of Peace have been a very effective method of blocking the Phelps group from grieving family members at funerals.

Most recently they participated in lining the streets of the funeral for Christina-Taylor Green in Arizona.

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Old 03-02-2011, 11:01 AM   #48
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Inspired by the homophobic beating and murder of Matthew Shepard these Angels of Peace have been a very effective method of blocking the Phelps group from grieving family members at funerals.

Most recently they participated in lining the streets of the funeral for Christina-Taylor Green in Arizona.

So effective, it would appear, that you can't even see the Phelps group in that photo.
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:02 AM   #49
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Agree. I think this is the right decision. This tiny cult will die off, but damage to the 1st amendment would last forever.
What damage would there be to enact a law that says "no public demonstration aimed at a funeral within 1 square mile of the funeral home and/or cemetery"?
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:03 AM   #50
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Inspired by the homophobic beating and murder of Matthew Shepard these Angels of Peace have been a very effective method of blocking the Phelps group from grieving family members at funerals.

Most recently they participated in lining the streets of the funeral for Christina-Taylor Green in Arizona.

That's great, but they better watch out that a windy day doesn't drape some of those angel wings over their heads like little, pointy hats.
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:04 AM   #51
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So effective, it would appear, that you can't even see the Phelps group in that photo.
I guess you're trying to make a joke.

The two groups have had quite a few run ins.

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Old 03-02-2011, 11:06 AM   #52
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What damage would there be to enact a law that says "no public demonstration aimed at a funeral within 1 square mile of the funeral home and/or cemetery"?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-ang...ry?id=12599263
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I guess you're trying to make a joke.

The two groups have had quite a few run ins.

They need taller wings.
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:09 AM   #55
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Ridiculous. Free speech shouldn't mean that you're free of consequences for that speech.

Truth is they are just stating their opinions and religious beliefs; no matter how deplorable it may be.
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:14 AM   #56
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Truth is they are just stating their opinions and religious beliefs; no matter how deplorable it may be.
What if I start a religion and the basic premise of Dongerism is that all Black people are stupid and part devil?

(The above is just an example. I don't think Black people are stupid)
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:16 AM   #57
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What if I start a religion and the basic premise of Dongerism is that all Black people are stupid and part devil?

(The above is just an example. I don't think Black people are stupid)
pretty sure it's already been done.
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pretty sure it's already been done.
Well, I imagine that that would fall under "hate speech," right?

If what Phelps' group does doesn't qualify as hate speech, I don't know what should.
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Well, I imagine that that would fall under "hate speech," right?

If what Phelps' group does doesn't qualify as hate speech, I don't know what should.
What is the legal definition of hate speech?
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What if I start a religion and the basic premise of Dongerism is that all Black people are stupid and part devil?
You're talking specifically about Obama, aren't you?
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