Chiefs forced to spend $20 million to meet new salary floor?

[FloridaMan88]

So it appears from most reports that the agreed upon 2011 salary cap will be $120 million with the salary floor constituting AT LEAST (and this could be increased) 90% of the salary cap (about $108 million)

Most reports had the Chiefs payroll last season near $90 million.

This means that the Chiefs will be forced to spend about $20 million just to meet the salary floor.

Clark's Chiefs will be FORCED to pursue an aggressive approach in free agency.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Just another point here.

We disagree on the value of the slot receiver, especially in this offense, with Cassel at the helm.

The more weapons that Cassel has, the better, and a reliable slot in 3rd down situations for cassel would be huge.

And it all still comes down to priorities.

We could wait for the second wave, but in either scenario, daivid Harris is not a priority at this time.

I'm definitely going to push back on the slot receiver part. I think this team is best built to win by a power running game and a dominating defense, and a passing game good enough to not lose games. Until Cassel proves otherwise, that's my feeling. If that's the case, I don't agree with loading the field with options our QB has no idea what to do with. Breaston would still be #4 behind Bowe, Baldwin, Moeaki, and often times even Charles. I don't see Cassel throwing for more than 3,500 yards in any given season. You'd expect Bowe, Baldwin, and Moeaki to account for about 2,500 of those. The RBs to account for probably 500. How much is there really leftover for a slot?

I'd be fine with a guy like Breaston if we had a Brees type QB who can put up over 4,000 yards. But given that Cassel + our love of running the ball is probably going to limit Cassel to about 200 yards a game, I think overspending on a slot is a waste.

[BossChief]

Zilla, as most of us understand, teams in the NFL win and lose games with matchups.

It's arguably the most important part of the sport.

After adding Baldwin, teams are gonna have to do everything in their power to slow down our starting receivers with their best corners....a receiver like Breaston (that is fantastic at running routes and maintaining speed in and out of his breaks) would thrive against opposing teams nickle corners.

He also has very very good deep speed, something this offense desperately needs if we are to take the next step. We MUST stretch the field, if we are to win games in the playoffs.

He also has a bunch of other reasons he would be a great signing.

He knows Haleys offense and excels in it.
He responds well to the type of coaching we utilize (hard coaching)
He has experience not only as a slot guy in this offense, but also as a starter that can fill in if needed.

Also, Verran Tucker would move to #4 and after getting experience last year against starting caliber corners, he could flourish when we really spread teams out.

If we sign Breaston, Charles would annihilate competition on draws/screens.

He would be a great signing for us.

[aturnis]

Found this VERY tasty nugget from ESPN. Apparently, the Chiefs cap number for 2011 right now, for only players under contract(not including RFA, FA's, and Rookies) is only 74.4 MILLION!!! That means the need to spend close to 45.6 MILLION DOLLARS in order to be compliant with the 2011 salary cap floor.

Numbers per this link.

note - Not sure if this includes bonuses and escalators...

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Zilla, as most of us understand, teams in the NFL win and lose games with matchups.

It's arguably the most important part of the sport.

After adding Baldwin, teams are gonna have to do everything in their power to slow down our starting receivers with their best corners....a receiver like Breaston (that is fantastic at running routes and maintaining speed in and out of his breaks) would thrive against opposing teams nickle corners.

He also has very very good deep speed, something this offense desperately needs if we are to take the next step. We MUST stretch the field, if we are to win games in the playoffs.

He also has a bunch of other reasons he would be a great signing.

He knows Haleys offense and excels in it.
He responds well to the type of coaching we utilize (hard coaching)
He has experience not only as a slot guy in this offense, but also as a starter that can fill in if needed.

Also, Verran Tucker would move to #4 and after getting experience last year against starting caliber corners, he could flourish when we really spread teams out.

If we sign Breaston, Charles would annihilate competition on draws/screens.

He would be a great signing for us.

I feel like theres alot of pressure for Baldwin to produce this year. I could see it taking a year or 2 before the guy is a beast.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Bear in mind, however, I am not looking to replace Stanzi.

I am looking to replace Tyler Palko.

Tell me that Tyler Palko is a better backup option than Stanton.

I dare ya.

Well shit if you put it like that then yes I agree with you. I was under the assumption you wanted a #2 guy who could also come in and compete with Cassel.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I feel like theres alot of pressure for Baldwin to produce this year. I could see it taking a year or 2 before the guy is a beast.

Baldwin comes in with the tools and talent to be a trusted target for Cassel and has the size and ability to be a 800 yard, 6-8 td type player right out of the gates. Maybe more.

Having two huge receivers will give Baldwin the advantage in this offense because he will be facing opposing #2 corners and a shit ton of strictly man coverage...either that or teams are gonna get eaten alive with our other weapons.

I think he ends up our best receiver, maybe as soon as years end.

No way does it take 2 years for him to get acclimated.

Another note, my friend (that originally told me about the whole Haley fingerpointing/mcD cheating connection) that Baldwin has spent a lot of time with Cassel during the lockout...even staying at his house at times. I think those two will have chemistry right off the bat.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Well shit if you put it like that then yes I agree with you. I was under the assumption you wanted a #2 guy who could also come in and compete with Cassel.

No, a lot of other teams (and fans on this board) want a serviceable veteran backup for insurance. The Patriots though, always seemed to have developmental guys, who, if you coach them up right(where Zorn comes in) might flourish(like Cassel, questionably) and either become your QBOTF, or a trade for picks with a good return on investment(ala Cassel).

I personally agree with Milk on this one too. I don't want a veteran who has reached his ceiling taking up a valuable roster spot. If we get into trouble and our backups don't perform, we can always call up one of the guys sitting at home...

[BossChief]

CASSEL WENT DOWN, GET KURT WARNER ON THE LINE!!!!elevnty11111!!!!!!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

"Chiefs forced to spend 60 million on pile of shit"

Oh, never mind.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Zilla, as most of us understand, teams in the NFL win and lose games with matchups.

It's arguably the most important part of the sport.

After adding Baldwin, teams are gonna have to do everything in their power to slow down our starting receivers with their best corners....a receiver like Breaston (that is fantastic at running routes and maintaining speed in and out of his breaks) would thrive against opposing teams nickle corners.

He also has very very good deep speed, something this offense desperately needs if we are to take the next step. We MUST stretch the field, if we are to win games in the playoffs.

He also has a bunch of other reasons he would be a great signing.

He knows Haleys offense and excels in it.
He responds well to the type of coaching we utilize (hard coaching)
He has experience not only as a slot guy in this offense, but also as a starter that can fill in if needed.

Also, Verran Tucker would move to #4 and after getting experience last year against starting caliber corners, he could flourish when we really spread teams out.

If we sign Breaston, Charles would annihilate competition on draws/screens.

He would be a great signing for us.

Like I said, you can use that argument for anyone. The fact is, you're not going to put world beaters on your team at every single position. And as milkman has pointed out, and it's true, we're going to have a TON of people we have to re-sign in the next few years. If that's the case, you have to prioritize who you want to spend your money on. A slot receiver is a role playing position. David Harris, on the other hand, is a shutdown run-stopper. Even if we struggle at Nose Tackle, he's going to plug up the interior run. And he's a good blitzing LB. How many times last season did our interior run defense completely disappear?

Here's the way I see it. As a running offense, we are already awesome. As an overall defense, we have potential to be great. If we get good play from a NT and LOLB, we can be every bit as good as the Steelers on D. Our pass offense? No matter how much we stack the deck, we still have a QB who could limit the Chiefs from being great.

If we bring in Breaston, we are essentially asking Cassel to be the guy who wins games for us. If we bring in Harris, we're on our way to becoming a scary overall defense. Add that to a terrific running game and now all of a sudden, you only ask Cassel to manage games to victory.

If the Chiefs had Drew Brees, no question you go after Breaston. But with Cassel, I'd rather choose to be great and whenever possible, not ask him to put up over 20 points a game.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

[quote=chiefzilla1501;7752012
If we bring in Breaston, we are essentially asking Cassel to be the guy who wins games for us. If we bring in Harris, we're on our way to becoming a scary overall defense. Add that to a terrific running game and now all of a sudden, you only ask Cassel to manage games to victory.

If the Chiefs had Drew Brees, no question you go after Breaston. But with Cassel, I'd rather choose to be great and whenever possible, not ask him to put up over 20 points a game.[/quote]

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[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

you're not going to put world beaters on your team at every single position.

Here's the way I see it. As a running offense, we are already awesome.

As an overall defense, we have potential to be great.

wow ... somebody thinks we are already there.

we are miles away from having to worry about having too much talent.

Against good defenses we still have trouble protecting the QB and we can't run the ball up the middle very well. Defense struggles to stopping the run unless we really commit extra people to it largely because our NT and LB's are not physical enough.

we need to keep acquiring talent at full speed.

Our salary cap situation should be outstanding because we've been spending under the cap for years.

Cap Room + little dead money = we should be able to keep our guys AND sign anyone we want.

I'm not sure Pioli 'will want' but the option is there.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Like I said, you can use that argument for anyone. The fact is, you're not going to put world beaters on your team at every single position. And as milkman has pointed out, and it's true, we're going to have a TON of people we have to re-sign in the next few years. If that's the case, you have to prioritize who you want to spend your money on. A slot receiver is a role playing position. David Harris, on the other hand, is a shutdown run-stopper. Even if we struggle at Nose Tackle, he's going to plug up the interior run. And he's a good blitzing LB. How many times last season did our interior run defense completely disappear?

Here's the way I see it. As a running offense, we are already awesome. As an overall defense, we have potential to be great. If we get good play from a NT and LOLB, we can be every bit as good as the Steelers on D. Our pass offense? No matter how much we stack the deck, we still have a QB who could limit the Chiefs from being great.

If we bring in Breaston, we are essentially asking Cassel to be the guy who wins games for us. If we bring in Harris, we're on our way to becoming a scary overall defense. Add that to a terrific running game and now all of a sudden, you only ask Cassel to manage games to victory.

If the Chiefs had Drew Brees, no question you go after Breaston. But with Cassel, I'd rather choose to be great and whenever possible, not ask him to put up over 20 points a game.

I'm not trying to be the guy who condones huge spending, but with the new cap system, we have a LOT of money we need to spend. Almost 46 million. Even after we resign the guys we want to keep, and our rookies, we will still have a ****-load of cash we need to spend.

I suggest we then be proactive and sign guys we wish to keep who are nearing the end of their contracts to new ones and lock them up.

Guess what, still money to spend.


Our positions of NEED at starter are: Slot receiver, NT

Positions of WANT at starter are: ILB, RB, RT, LT, QB

Depth Needs are: ILB, safety, RB, QB, OL,

Who's to say with all the money that needs to be spent the Chiefs couldn't get one of the top slot receivers available, and a ILB to push Belcher to solid depth?

The money has to be spent. HAS to.

[BossChief]

Our trailer is hitched to Cassel, like it or not.

I have said since before the trade that he is a guy that requires a great team around him to look good (like he had in NE) rather than being a guy that raises the level of Play of those around him...therefore, our best chance at winning on the biggest stages is to acquire the services of players around him that can win the individual matchups.

Like Breaston.

Also, like I said earlier, what happens if we dont sign a guy like him ( with experience as a starter and slot guy) and Bowe or Baldwin goes down for an extended period?

We would be right back to square one, if we have a guy like Breaston we could continue to run the offense at full speed.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Laz

Our salary cap situation should be outstanding because we've been spending under the cap for years.

Cap Room + little dead money = we should be able to keep our guys AND sign anyone we want.

I'm not sure Pioli 'will want' but the option is there.

The figure pulled a bit ago says without resignings and rookie signings, we're at 74.4 million. Also, I thought I read somewhere that dead money would no longer count against the cap...