Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 32

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 09:52 PM

If the players dont vote by tomorrow night we can all dog them just give them time to read it ...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

10 years without an out clause is a bad idea for the players, IMO.

One of many reasons the owners voted 31-0.

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 09:55 PM

They have been negotiatong this for months.

It really shouldn't be a big shock.

I think both sides are screwing the pooch here, but I don't buy the argument that the owners slipped stuff in, not one bit.

"we haven't even gotten the contract yet, but you ****ers added stuff to it we didn't talk about!!!eleventy1111!!!!!"

Please.

Just Passin' By · 07-21-2011, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

If the players dont vote by tomorrow night we can all dog them just give them time to read it ...

The owners are trying to lock the players into a 10 year deal that's reportedly much more to the owners' advantage than was the previous deal. The players should take as long as they want before signing. If that means a few exhibition games are missed in order to avoid labor issues 5 years down the road, I've got no problem with that.

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 10:00 PM

As a lawyer, Smith had the pivotal option of

A) I can send the sentiment through the players that this is a good deal that we have came to after months of working together with the NFL. And the players would follow that and football is back

B) Make up some phony crap about the owners trying to pull a fast one and push the legal details that have nothing to do with the premise of my immediate job and in turn add another case that could go on for some time.

...

Seems to me he took option b

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The owners are trying to lock the players into a 10 year deal that's reportedly much more to the owners' advantage than was the previous deal. The players should take as long as they want before signing. If that means a few exhibition games are missed in order to avoid labor issues 5 years down the road, I've got no problem with that.

http://nfllabor.com/2011/07/21/nfl-c...ive-agreement/

Dude look at the deal the players WIN BIGTIME

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

They have been negotiatong this for months.

It really shouldn't be a big shock.

I think both sides are screwing the pooch here, but I don't buy the argument that the owners slipped stuff in, not one bit.

"we haven't even gotten the contract yet, but you ****ers added stuff to it we didn't talk about!!!eleventy1111!!!!!"

Please.

I think that was poor reporting by someone.

The issue lies with being coerced into re-certification, and the invoking of certain parts of the old CBA if an agreement isn't reached within the three day window.

In theory, the players could vote to ratify, re-certify and use the three day window to bargain changes in certain terms. All the owners have to do is fail to negotiate, and issues like benefits, discipline, safety, etc. will revert to the terms of the old CBA for another 10 years.

So the owners negotiate a favorable deal financially, then backdoor their way to a favorable deal regarding other issues.

tk13 · 07-21-2011, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

As a lawyer, Smith had the pivotal option of

A) I can send the sentiment through the players that this is a good deal that we have came to after months of working together with the NFL. And the players would follow that and football is back

B) Make up some phony crap about the owners trying to pull a fast one and push the legal details that have nothing to do with the premise of my immediate job and in turn add another case that could go on for some time.

...

Seems to me he took option b

Or most likely, C) the owners are about to lose a crap ton of money on missed preseason games, so we've got a little bit of leverage finally. We're going to use it.

Okie_Apparition · 07-21-2011, 10:02 PM

I've spent all summer coming up with cool names for my fantasy teams. If I don't get to use them, atleast for the first 6 weeks before I abandon them. I swear I will not get NFL Sunday Ticket. That'l teach 'em.

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

If your employer handed you hundreds of pages of information that dictated your compensation for the next 10 years in the workplace, plus your retirement and health insurance benefits, you wouldn't want to thoroughly go over it? Really?

What if you had discussed the details of such for months?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-21-2011, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

As a lawyer, Smith had the pivotal option of

A) I can send the sentiment through the players that this is a good deal that we have came to after months of working together with the NFL. And the players would follow that and football is back

B) Make up some phony crap about the owners trying to pull a fast one and push the legal details that have nothing to do with the premise of my immediate job and in turn add another case that could go on for some time.

...

Seems to me he took option b

Are you even reading this thread?

It's not a good deal.

They are being coerced into re-certification, and the language used allows for a single disgruntled player to have the entire ****ing CBA thrown out.

They are also being expected to trust the owners will come to the negotiating table during the three day window.

The players would be ****ing stupid to sign this as-is.

BryanBusby · 07-21-2011, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

What if you had discussed the details of such for months?

That yet specifics of the terms are constantly changing.

Brock · 07-21-2011, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

What if you had discussed the details of such for months?

Discussing it is one thing. Actually having the paper in your hand and reading it is another.

Just Passin' By · 07-21-2011, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

http://nfllabor.com/2011/07/21/nfl-c...ive-agreement/

Dude look at the deal the players WIN BIGTIME

I don't see it that way, at all. From what's known right now, I'd say it's a huge loss for the players.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 10:10 PM

gregaielloGreg Aiello

Deal on table will share at least $50 Billion of revenue w/players over next 10 years. RT @Greg_A_Bedard: "key for ... http://tmi.me/dl30Y

YEA THOSE DAMM GREEDY owners players win big there

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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