Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 37

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

**Dave Lane** · 07-22-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

Really?

How so?

The notion that the NFLPA reportedly didn't have a copy of the full 300 page proposal at the time of the conference call is me being simple minded?

They obviously had the copy they had been working with. They didn't have a copy of what the Owners passed. I still can't believe the owners added stuff to the final agreement and then said sign it. Their ass deserves to be ripped up and down if that is true.

rocknrolla · 07-22-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

figures ... i still the the players make one more really public stink before it's all over. They have to make a few CBA demands to let the rank and file, along with the public in general, know that they are not being told what to do by the owners.

To me this whole hold up by the players is just to make a statement. They just didn't want to look like they will sign it just as soon it was put out there. They are going to start loosing checks soon. I think it will all be done by Monday.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 09:44 AM

ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk

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**SAUTO** · 07-22-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

because it casts a negative light on the union and it's leader and that is completely unacceptable. Everyone knows that unions are superior and would never make such mistakes.

i thought this was all about them not wanting to recertify as a union...

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Also, kolb is going to zona and is already working with fitz.

Supposedly a trade for players, not picks.

DRC for Kolb?

Hammock Parties · 07-22-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk

Report: Players want opt out clause included in CBA http://t.co/0YnSfjq

That's great, we can do this all over again in a few years.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 10:23 AM

AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

NFL gameday rosters will expand this season from 45 to 46 players, with the No. 3 quarterback no longer counting as an inactive player.

Titty Meat · 07-22-2011, 10:24 AM

Somehwere Ingle Martin is smiling.

**ChiefGator** · 07-22-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

NFL gameday rosters will expand this season from 45 to 46 players, with the No. 3 quarterback no longer counting as an inactive player.

Hmm.. does that mean you can throw your #3 QB into the game for one series, and then go back to your #1. That might make a small difference for teams that want to run a wildcat with a QB like Pat White or someone.

rocknrolla · 07-22-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Red 5

That's great, we can do this all over again in a few years.

Mort said it would be 7 year opt out option. But that's from Mort. Who knows?

**Dave Lane** · 07-22-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

NFL gameday rosters will expand this season from 45 to 46 players, with the No. 3 quarterback no longer counting as an inactive player.

For the life of me I have never understood this rule.

tomahawk kid · 07-22-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

They obviously had the copy they had been working with. They didn't have a copy of what the Owners passed. I still can't believe the owners added stuff to the final agreement and then said sign it. Their ass deserves to be ripped up and down if that is true.

Probably - but you could also assume that Goodel prepped D on what was coming in the phone calls that took place before / after the owners vote.

If Smith was truely blindsided, then that's a different story.

FYI - I work in contracts, and the "adding things in at the last minute" BS happens ALL the time.

**SAUTO** · 07-22-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

Probably - but you could also assume that Goodel prepped D on what was coming in the phone calls that took place before / after the owners vote.

If Smith was truely blindsided, then that's a different story.

FYI - I work in contracts, and the "adding things in at the last minute" BS happens ALL the time.

if smith was blindsided why isnt he screaming that goodell is a liar at the top of his lungs?
that would save some face on the P.R. side IMO

tomahawk kid · 07-22-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

if smith was blindsided why isnt he screaming that goodell is a liar at the top of his lungs?
that would save some face on the P.R. side IMO

Also a solid point.

Okie_Apparition · 07-22-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

NFL gameday rosters will expand this season from 45 to 46 players, with the No. 3 quarterback no longer counting as an inactive player.

Not all teams carry a 3rd QB. This will allow for some fudging

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
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