Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 39

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefqueen

Is this a pay cut for Newton?

Okie_Apparition · 07-22-2011, 11:51 AM

That's odd. According to 1 report yesterday, the new scale only effects the top 1/4 to 1/3 of the first round & the rest should remain the same as last season. Baldwin was to expect to get what last years #26(?) got.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

That's odd. According to 1 report yesterday, the new scale only effects the top 1/4 to 1/3 of the first round & the rest should remain the same as last season. Baldwin was to expect to get what last years #26(?) got.

Its safe to say whatever the 26 pick got last year just take 30% to 40%off it

Okie_Apparition · 07-22-2011, 11:56 AM

It must have been a local report, because they mentioned Baldwin by name. I don't know how they can now shit. When the reporters right out side the front doors were completely lost 3/4ths the time yesterday.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 12:01 PM

ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk

Per source who attended labor seminar: "The only thing the players didn't get is for someone else to play for them."

Mr. Laz · 07-22-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk

Per source who attended labor seminar: "The only thing the players didn't get is for someone else to play for them."

we haven't seen the agreement but from what i can tell the owners got the % of money split they wanted but more or less conceded everything else.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

we haven't seen the agreement but from what i can tell the owners got the % of money split they wanted but more or less conceded everything else.

Yea the players got 55% of the TV money. In 2014 thats gonna be a goldmined.

ToxSocks · 07-22-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Takeo Spikes on ESPN now saying part of the stuff included in the CBA that wasn't previously agree to was the Revenue sharing part by the owners.

apparently the players think they should get to approve how the owners decide to share profits.

Kinda figured that's what it was. It's non of their ****ing business.

The players are real ****ing dick heads.

**SAUTO** · 07-22-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Takeo Spikes on ESPN now saying part of the stuff included in the CBA that wasn't previously agree to was the Revenue sharing part by the owners.

apparently the players think they should get to approve how the owners decide to share profits.

i asked several times about this yesterday. NOT ONE person responded.

tomahawk kid · 07-22-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Takeo Spikes on ESPN now saying part of the stuff included in the CBA that wasn't previously agree to was the Revenue sharing part by the owners.

apparently the players think they should get to approve how the owners decide to share profits.

Listening to him on ESPN now.

He's NOT raising my opinion of the players at the moment.

Revenue sharing piece is BS.

The whole butt hurt thing about the owners "telilng them how to re-certify" is TOTAL BS. Be a man and grow some thick skin. Business people dictate terms of deals ALL the time. If you get emotional - you lose, and you'd better get used to it if you plan on doing anything in the business world outside of football.

Speaks to me how coddled these dudes have been their entire lives because they were athletes.

**dirk digler** · 07-22-2011, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

ProFootballTalkProFootballTalk

Per source who attended labor seminar: "The only thing the players didn't get is for someone else to play for them."

You know the coaches aren't happy at all. I can understand cutting back in the off season but this crying about hitting during practice in the regular season is childish. Coaches don't want to wear down their players either so let them do their job.

ToxSocks · 07-22-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

You know the coaches aren't happy at all. I can understand cutting back in the off season but this crying about hitting during practice in the regular season is childish. Coaches don't want to wear down their players either so let them do their job.

It's ****ing reeruned. And then labeling it as "Player Safety". Player Safety my ass. It's called 'we just wanna play, but not do any of the preseason prep work'.

The owners lose big time on that. The player will be more injury prone and teams will be paying for broke dick players sitting on the bench.

This was CLEARLY a veteran player move. This does nothing but hurt Rookies and UDFAs.

**dirk digler** · 07-22-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

It's ****ing reeruned. And then labeling it as "Player Safety". Player Safety my ass. It's called 'we just wanna play, but not do any of the preseason prep work'.

The owners lose big time on that. The player will be more injury prone and teams will be paying for broke dick players sitting on the bench.

This was CLEARLY a veteran player move. This does nothing but hurt Rookies and UDFAs.

No shit. I was watching the NFL Network at lunch and they were talking about how wearing shells now might be considered a padded practice. JFC the players have gone soft literally.

ChiefsCountry · 07-22-2011, 01:07 PM

The risk of injury is why they get paid the big bucks to play. Skill is #1, but the risk of major injury is #2 reason.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-22-2011, 01:11 PM

Lockout could delay season, so Ravens don’t print dates on tickets

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 22, 2011, 3:06 PM EDT

AP
After so many pieces of news that we viewed as reasons for optimism that the NFL lockout would end soon, we’re starting to collect reasons for pessimism.

Here’s another: A Ravens spokesman told Jamison Hensley of the Baltimore Sun that the team didn’t print dates or times on their season tickets because they don’t know when the lockout will end and have to leave room for the possibility that the dates of games could change.

We’ve always known that the lockout could cause games to be delayed or canceled, but with all the positive signs in the last month or so we’ve largely come to expect that a deal would be reached well before any games are affected.

We’re still hopeful that the Hall of Fame Game will be the only part of the NFL schedule that the lockout affects. But the Ravens are reminding fans that that’s no sure thing.

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2083063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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07-22-2011, 11:51 AM	#572
Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	That's odd. According to 1 report yesterday, the new scale only effects the top 1/4 to 1/3 of the first round & the rest should remain the same as last season. Baldwin was to expect to get what last years #26(?) got.
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07-22-2011, 11:56 AM	#574
Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	It must have been a local report, because they mentioned Baldwin by name. I don't know how they can now shit. When the reporters right out side the front doors were completely lost 3/4ths the time yesterday.
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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1266009	Lockout could delay season, so Ravens don’t print dates on tickets Posted by Michael David Smith on July 22, 2011, 3:06 PM EDT AP After so many pieces of news that we viewed as reasons for optimism that the NFL lockout would end soon, we’re starting to collect reasons for pessimism. Here’s another: A Ravens spokesman told Jamison Hensley of the Baltimore Sun that the team didn’t print dates or times on their season tickets because they don’t know when the lockout will end and have to leave room for the possibility that the dates of games could change. We’ve always known that the lockout could cause games to be delayed or canceled, but with all the positive signs in the last month or so we’ve largely come to expect that a deal would be reached well before any games are affected. We’re still hopeful that the Hall of Fame Game will be the only part of the NFL schedule that the lockout affects. But the Ravens are reminding fans that that’s no sure thing.
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