Peyton Manning will need to undergo another procedure on his neck

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Peyton Manning - QB - Colts John Michael Vincent of ESPN 1070 Indianapolis reports Peyton Manning will need to undergo another procedure on his neck.




@JMV1070JMV1070

Been told by multi sources that QB P Manning needs a 2nd neck procedure. Will remain out indefinitely.Called #colts and waiting on response.


amSchefterAdam Schefter

Filed to ESPN from @mortreport: Peyton Manning is being revaluated by several doctors bc of slow progress. No other procedure planned now.


mortreportChris Mortensen

Official: Sources say Manning had surgery this am - cervical fusion with 2-3 month minimum recovery.No word on whether he will be put on IR.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by milkman

Terry Bradshaw is the most underrated QB that I've ever seen, unless it's Bart Starr.

Underrated probably, 4 SB's is definitely not a coincidence. He was 4 for 4, too. Yet no where near P. Manning or Steve Young in terms of the position.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

great link, thanks. can't believe Favre's playoff record is 2 games above .500, that's amazing.

Guess I need to put Favre ahead of Manning now too, he'll still be lower than Brady and Montana, but definitely higher than Peyton.

If you take the top 20 QBs of all time, Marino and Manning have to be in the running for worst playoff QBs, probably in that order.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

If you take the top 20 QBs of all time, Marino and Manning have to be in the running for worst playoff QBs, probably in that order.

Lol?

Why are you lumping Marino and Manning together?

Philip Rivers and Marino are a much more rational pairing.

Manning and Steve Young fit more closely. Both have a SB where they were the starters for their team, and definitely should have won more in their careers. (Steve Young has 3 SB's but 2 as backup)

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Lol?

Why are you lumping Marino and Manning together?

Philip Rivers and Marino are a much more rational pairing.

Manning and Steve Young fit more closely. Both have a SB where they were the starters for their team, and definitely should have won more in their careers. (Steve Young has 3 SB's but 2 as backup)

Rivers is not a top 20 all-time QB, and Manning is nothing like a match to Young in the playoffs. He's Marino II.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Rivers is not a top 20 all-time QB, and Manning is nothing like a match to Young in the playoffs. He's Marino II.

Ok, I'm arguing against your opinion here I see. No point to this.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The notion that Manning's defense has been poor is another misleading argument put out by his apologists. His first three playoff losses, for example, were by scores of

19-16
23-17
41-0

The first two aren't anything particularly bad for a defense to allow in a playoff game, and Manning didn't put a single point on the board in the beat down.

The points scored in the other losses

14 (Patriots won with 24)
3 (Patriots won with 20)
18 (Steelers won with 21)
24 (Chargers won with 28)
17 (Chargers won with 23)
17 (Saints won with 31, but that's because of the Manning pick-6)
16 (Jets won with 17)

The defense has played less than stellar, but it's not been any kind of disaster. Manning and his offense have put up 17 points or fewer in 8 of his 10 losses, and 18 points in another. It's not just that Manning hasn't helped his defense, it's that Manning and the offense has been a drag on the team.

Hey, some actual stats and analysis!!!! !!!

Saying Manning and the offense was a drag on the team in several of those games is quite a stretch though....

22/38, 290, 1 TD, 0 INT, 90.9 rating vs Pittsburgh
33/48, 402, 3 TD, 2 INT, 97.7 rating vs SD
25/42, 310, 1 TD, 0 INT, 90.4 rating vs SD
31/45, 333, 1 TD, 1 INT, 88.5 rating vs NO
18/26, 225, 1 TD, 0 INT, 108.7 rating vs NYJ

You make a good point... it's not like he was constantly needing to trade TDs in those games, but he's not exactly the problem either. For comparison, Brady's highest rating in a playoff loss is 82.5.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Hey, some actual stats and analysis!!!! !!!

Saying Manning and the offense was a drag on the team in several of those games is quite a stretch though....

22/38, 290, 1 TD, 0 INT, 90.9 rating vs Pittsburgh
33/48, 402, 3 TD, 2 INT, 97.7 rating vs SD
25/42, 310, 1 TD, 0 INT, 90.4 rating vs SD
31/45, 333, 1 TD, 1 INT, 88.5 rating vs NO
18/26, 225, 1 TD, 0 INT, 108.7 rating vs NYJ

You make a good point... it's not like he was constantly needing to trade TDs in those games, but he's not exactly the problem either. For comparison, Brady's highest rating in a playoff loss is 82.5.

Brady definitely stunk it up in the losses to the Broncos and the Ravens. A couple of things, though. First, Brady's 14-5. There's no comparing that to 9-10. He's clearly not dragging his team down in general. Second, Brady was hurt in the 2007 SB, was harassed all game long, and still led the offense down for the go ahead score with about 3 minutes left to go in the game. Manning was healthy in 2009 when he marched his team down the field and then threw a pick 6 against the Saints. To say that Manning was not a drag on the team that game just doesn't pass the smell test. He shit himself in the Super Bowl when he had a chance to tie that game, and that killed his team.

Manning has thrown for 8 touchdowns, 10 interceptions in his losses, and for 19/8 in his wins. A team built around the pass, and with Peyton Manning at the helm, is averaging less than 1 touchdown per game in its playoff losses, and more than 2 per game in its playoff wins.

That offense is killing the team in the losses, and that's on Manning.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Brady definitely stunk it up in the losses to the Broncos and the Ravens. A couple of things, though. First, Brady's 14-5. There's no comparing that to 9-10. He's clearly not dragging his team down in general. Second, Brady was hurt in the 2007 SB, was harassed all game long, and still led the offense down for the go ahead score with about 3 minutes left to go in the game. Manning was healthy in 2009 when he marched his team down the field and then threw a pick 6 against the Saints. To say that Manning was not a drag on the team that game just doesn't pass the smell test. He shit himself in the Super Bowl when he had a chance to tie that game, and that killed his team.

Manning has thrown for 8 touchdowns, 10 interceptions in his losses, and for 19/8 in his wins. A team built around the pass, and with Peyton Manning at the helm, is averaging less than 1 touchdown per game in its playoff losses, and more than 2 per game in its playoff wins.

That offense is killing the team in the losses, and that's on Manning.

Well, Brady's team was originally built around defense and special teams and was given a defense capable of holding the Rams to 17 points. There's no comparing 14-5 to 9-10 because even Matt Cassel went 11-5 as the starter of the Patriots.

Yes, of course Brady has been more clutch, but I just think there's more to it... yeah, it's pretty damn impressive to do that against the Giants, like you said, or even the Rams when you're trying to slay Goliath. At the same time, he wasn't everything to those teams.

I think a big part of Manning's career has been being the one guy that carries the Colts... he's always put it solely on himself to win games since he hasn't often been able to rely on a running game or defense. That's obviously a flaw when you're the one calling the plays and end up pushing too hard and throwing a pick or taking a sack late in the game, and that's all some people choose to see. I look at that line against the Chargers and it's a little mind boggling.... 402 yards, 3 TDs, (with 50 yards of run support)... and they still managed to lose the game. I guess when you say "that's on Manning," you're right... so much of it has always been on Manning... and I'm not saying he's never gotten any support, but a big part of the 'choking' is the fact that the team wasn't ever built for the playoffs.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Well, Brady's team was originally built around defense and special teams and was given a defense capable of holding the Rams to 17 points. There's no comparing 14-5 to 9-10 because even Matt Cassel went 11-5 as the starter of the Patriots.

In 2007, besides playing their division opponents, the Patriots beat 4 division champs and a wild card team. The Patriots went 18-1 against a difficult schedule. The next year, against a very easy schedule, they went 11-5. Also, Matt Cassel won 10 games last year, for a different team, so you're not talking about Manning to Painter here.

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yes, of course Brady has been more clutch, but I just think there's more to it... yeah, it's pretty damn impressive to do that against the Giants, like you said, or even the Rams when you're trying to slay Goliath. At the same time, he wasn't everything to those teams.

No player is everything to his team. That's just as true of Manning as it is of Brady. Brady and Manning both have the freedom to audible, to call the protections at the line, to work with the coaches on the game plan and play selection, and everything else you'd expect top QBs to be doing in this era. What's different is that Manning runs a modified no-huddle and often makes the calls at the line instead of in the huddle.

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I think a big part of Manning's career has been being the one guy that carries the Colts... he's always put it solely on himself to win games since he hasn't often been able to rely on a running game or defense. That's obviously a flaw when you're the one calling the plays and end up pushing too hard and throwing a pick or taking a sack late in the game, and that's all some people choose to see. I look at that line against the Chargers and it's a little mind boggling.... 402 yards, 3 TDs, (with 50 yards of run support)... and they still managed to lose the game. I guess when you say "that's on Manning," you're right... so much of it has always been on Manning... and I'm not saying he's never gotten any support, but a big part of the 'choking' is the fact that the team wasn't ever built for the playoffs.

The notion that it's been all Manning is one of the biggest myths perpetuated in NFL history. Manning has been surrounded with top shelf talent for his entire career. From Marshall Faulk, to Edgerrin James to Marvin Harrison, to Reggie Wayne, to Dallas Clark and others, he's been blessed with top shelf teammates, and the defense, while definitely the weaker side of the ball in general, has had players like Sanders, Mathis, Freeney, Bethea, etc...

[kstater]

I think I've reached the end of the internet.

[TimeForWasp]

Manning needs another operation, he doesn't have the nerve.

[Skyy God]

For what crazy Jim Irsay is worth:

“We had a good practice yesterday and r guys r fired up 4 the season. #18’s out for awhile, but compete, we will/BELIEVE,”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-colts-manning

[Quesadilla Joe]

While I'm hearing Manning hasn't had surgery yet, I wouldn't be surprised if he has it before the weekend

https://twitter.com/#!/Jay_Glazer/st...47697283162112

[Hootie]

I'm going to ignore this thread...

the "Peyton Manning is a playoff choker" myth I have put to sleep and compared his stats, games, and chokes with Tom Brady several times and people can search for those if they want to see them...

and in fact, Peyton Manning actually graded out as the most "clutch" QB in the NFL last season, by a wide margin...even though I think the idea of a "clutch" QB is overrated...I don't think it really exists.

[Hootie]

and to the Pats fans who troll our board for some reason...

I'm not going to argue whether or not Tom or Peyton is better...but I'm 100% certain Peyton Manning means more to the Colts than Tom Brady means to the Patriots (in terms of winning games)

arguing otherwise is pure lunacy and homerism