Mike Leach has verbally agreed to be the head coach at Washington St.

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[Bambi]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

You missed the entire point.

But I thought KU was such a shit school? Who would care how the administration painted him?

I'm was very happy with what Mangino did at Kansas.

He had a terrible season going out the door. Should he be given another chance to continue? Probably, but it's in the past. Time to move on.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because you folks did a hatchet job unlike anything I've ever seen. Kansas and Lew Perkins did absolutely everything they could to make the man as toxic as possible so they could save face and a few bucks in the settlement discussions.

As far as major Universities with major donors and public exposure are concerned, perception is reality. The guy has been excoriated publicly, it will take a few years for that stain to wear off him and he becomes hireable again (hell, look at Leach).

If Mangino were truly this slovenly demon you Beakers tried to paint him as, you probably could've shoved him out the door and not given him a dime; termination for cause. As it is, you gave him a nice little settlement...then proceeded to trash an empty chair after he left.

It was horseshit. Keep on defending it, you only make yourself look worse.

You folks? I remember a large amount of KU fans that were absolutely stunned and embarrassed the way that Lew ran him out of town. At the same time, the Lawrence people (me being one of them) were not sad to see the guy go. He was a class A asshole. There were people working in the football dept that were celebrating his departure, he was that type of person. He made very few friends there with the way he treated people. That had more to do with the lack of booster support he received than anything.

The worst railroading he got was from the local Media. They had it out for him and kept banging their drum throughout the entire process. KU football's worst enemy has been the LJW sports media for a long time. They have personal agendas and biases running very deep, and Mangino treated them extremely poorly. Having the biggest Talk Sports Radio Host (KK) in the nearest metro hating your collective guts and using his show as a personal soap box for all things anti-KU doesn't help either. But in the end, it was handled poorly, yes. It was horrible, and Lew deserved plenty of criticism for this. But Mangino did himself no favors. Had he established relationships locally, he wouldn't have been run out of town so quickly cause people would have defended him. He made his own bed, however.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Like I said - I can't make him look worse than he makes himself look.

He's as predictable as the sunrise.

Leach did the same thing. He got hired today.

Predictable as the sunrise.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Zeke

You folks? I remember a large amount of KU fans that were absolutely stunned and embarrassed the way that Lew ran him out of town. At the same time, the Lawrence people (me being one of them) were not sad to see the guy go. He was a class A asshole. There were people working in the football dept that were celebrating his departure, he was that type of person. He made very few friends there with the way he treated people. That had more to do with the lack of booster support he received than anything.

The worst railroading he got was from the local Media. They had it out for him and kept banging their drum throughout the entire process. KU football's worst enemy has been the LJW sports media for a long time. They have personal agendas and biases running very deep, and Mangino treated them extremely poorly. Having the biggest Talk Sports Radio Host (KK) in the nearest metro hating your collective guts and using their show as a personal soap box for all things anti-KU doesn't help either. But in the end, it was handled poorly, yes. It was horrible, and Lew deserved plenty of criticism for this. But Mangino did himself no favors. Had he established relationships locally, he wouldn't have been run out of town so quickly cause people would have defended him. He made his own bed, however.

Don't feed it. Rival fans wanting it both ways.

I had similar feelings about him. He was a dick, but he won football games making his actions tolerable.

When you go 1-9 in conference and still act the way you do I can see the people who have to work with him day in and day out wanting him gone.

Like I said, in CFB you need allies, and HCMM had none. He still doesn't otherwise he'd be working.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Zeke

You folks? I remember a large amount of KU fans that were absolutely stunned and embarrassed the way that Lew ran him out of town. At the same time, the Lawrence people (me being one of them) were not sad to see the guy go. He was a class A asshole. There were people working in the football dept that were celebrating his departure, he was that type of person. He made very few friends there with the way he treated people. That had more to do with the lack of booster support he received than anything.

The worst railroading he got was from the local Media. They had it out for him and kept banging their drum throughout the entire process. KU football's worst enemy has been the LJW sports media for a long time. They have personal agendas and biases running very deep, and Mangino treated them extremely poorly. Having the biggest Talk Sports Radio Host (KK) in the nearest metro hating your collective guts and using his show as a personal soap box for all things anti-KU doesn't help either. But in the end, it was handled poorly, yes. It was horrible, and Lew deserved plenty of criticism for this. But Mangino did himself no favors. Had he established relationships locally, he wouldn't have been run out of town so quickly cause people would have defended him. He made his own bed, however.

Yeah, that's pretty much my read on it. "You folks" is referring to the KU administrators; I could've been more clear.

College football is loaded with assholes; I mean absolutely infested by them. If you win, you stay. If you take a shit program and win, you get to stay even longer.

Being an asshole rarely costs a guy with the successes that Mangino had his job. And it even more rarely does so in a fashion that costs him his career (I couldn't believe the daily blasting the folks in the region where given the guy).

I think it's naive to suggest that the coaching community doesn't see that as a major black mark on the Kansas job.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, that's pretty much my read on it. "You folks" is referring to the KU administrators; I could've been more clear.

College football is loaded with assholes; I mean absolutely infested by them. If you win, you stay. If you take a shit program and win, you get to stay even longer.

Being an asshole rarely costs a guy with the successes that Mangino had his job. And it even more rarely does so in a fashion that costs him his career (I couldn't believe the daily blasting the folks in the region where given the guy).

I think it's naive to suggest that the coaching community doesn't see that as a major black mark on the Kansas job.

I think you underestimate the magnitude of this dude's assholery.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think it's naive to suggest that the coaching community doesn't see that as a major black mark on the Kansas job.

I have no doubt that people would look at the face value and have questions. But at the same time, most these guys are smart enough to know that the guy behind most of the crap that happened recently at KU (with Mangino in particular) is long gone.

I certainly understand what you are saying. I've used stereotypes for businesses in my career decisions before. I've been offered a job from a large company here in KC but ended up not taking it due to hearsay regarding the company's culture.

But I also don't think it's so cut and dry as some of the KU-haters make it out to be.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Zeke

But I also don't think it's so cut and dry as some of the KU-haters make it out to be.

I don't think anyone's trying to make it cut and dry, rather just assembling the wall a brick at a time.

I think it's undeniably a brick. It just seems very strange that Leach wasn't more interested in a job with an AD he had a past history with, in a conference he knew a bunch of people in, with a chance to stick it in the eye of a school he clearly thinks wronged him. Especially when the Wazzu job isn't a great one by any stretch.

I think it's more than any one thing, but I think Mangino's relationship with Leach and the circumstances surrounding his departure are certainly among those issues.

[Bambi]

Mitch Holtus making some good points about how coming back to the BigXII and having to deal with TTU, etc. and all that week in and week out might have been the LAST thing Leach wants to deal with at this time.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It just seems very strange that Leach wasn't more interested in a job with an AD he had a past history with, in a conference he knew a bunch of people in, with a chance to stick it in the eye of a school he clearly thinks wronged him. Especially when the Wazzu job isn't a great one by any stretch.

WSU and KU aren't that far apart as far as football programs right now. They are both BCS conferences and are downtrodden. WSU offered him a job obviously, and we have no idea if KU has. All we know is that there is speculation they have been in communication. KU and Leach may have met and decided it wasn't a good fit. We don't know.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think it's more than any one thing, but I think Mangino's relationship with Leach and the circumstances surrounding his departure are certainly among those issues.

Certainly could be. He may have scoffed at any interest KU showed him.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Mitch Holtus making some good points about how coming back to the BigXII and having to deal with TTU, etc. and all that week in and week out might have been the LAST thing Leach wants to deal with at this time.

Can't wait to read the book about all this.

[Fritz88]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Mitch Holtus making some good points about how coming back to the BigXII and having to deal with TTU, etc. and all that week in and week out might have been the LAST thing Leach wants to deal with at this time.

Why was it so hard for many to assume this before the WSU news came out?

Once again, KU is going to get a Gill hire. Someone who has potential. We just have to keep our fingers crossed that he turns out okay instead of the shit we lived with the past two years.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Fritz88

Why was it so hard for many to assume this before the WSU news came out?

Once again, KU is going to get a Gill hire. Someone who has potential. We just have to keep our fingers crossed that he turns out okay instead of the shit we lived with the past two years.

I actually feel like the last two years have flown by.

[teedubya]

Why is everyone named Saul an asshole?

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by teedubya

Why is everyone named Saul an asshole?

self loathing is usually the case with guys like that on the internet