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yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built. 142 61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please. 79 34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks. 11 4.74%
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM  
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Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?
I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:13 AM   #46
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What's interesting is that he probably has more to do with saving Haley's job than Haley does himself. If Romeo's D doesn't step up in Indianapolis and hold the Colts scoreless for an entire half, Haley is axed after that game.
You have no way of knowing that at all. Real journalists don't even know what is going on at the FO, how would a faux journalist like you know anything?
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:13 AM   #47
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Don't really care what you think you see. You're a pitbull in the henhouse. You reach for the easiest hen and lock down. Then you grab another. It's actually comical.
So you're telling me you see the same Dwayne Bowe out there?

Because I sure don't.

Bowe is an energizer bunny typically. He looks sad these days.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:15 AM   #48
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I'm sure Bowe is thrilled to death running routes for the likes of Cassel and Palko.

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Old 12-08-2011, 01:15 AM   #49
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Franchise record low scoring offense.

Think about the coaches this team has had in the past, and this supposed offensive genius has done worse than they have.

Injuries, no injuries, that's unfathomable. If this team keeps him around for the last year of his contract, it will be for the same reason Carolina and Tennessee kept their lame duck coaches around: They were simply too ****ing cheap to pay them to just go away.
It's fathomable. It's amazing to me that there are a million and a half threads about the importance of a franchise QB, yet the same people think Haley should win games in spite of it. And considering how untalented our RBs are right now, we also happen to have a #11 ranked run offense, which is actually kind of amazing.

I don't care about offensive production. What's more important is what puts our team in the best position to win. Haley seems convinced that the key is to keep the ball out of the hands of our QB. And that seems to be a smart concept. If Haley had a QB he can go vertical with, I guarantee you this offense would look completely different.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:16 AM   #50
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Sorry but there are no knee jerk reactions from me on Todd Haley. I was very supportive of him until last year's Denver game, and then I started to cool off. That turned into disgust at the start of the year and has finally morphed into "had enough, well, bye."

Dude is definitely gone.
You're nothing more than knee jerk reactions. But since you don't have a financial investment or run the team it's easy for you to do that. You don't have to look at the reality of injurys to key players or the way the team plays hard against teams that totally over-match them. You see a couple lame QB's and a lack of depth and think you know it all. Pretty easy to run the team from your seat.
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You're nothing more than knee jerk reactions.


There were people on here calling for Haley's head after ONE YEAR.

I was not among them.

Hell, we suffered the worst home playoff loss in franchise history and I didn't want him fired.

My knees are fine.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:17 AM   #52
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It's missing its MVP and shitty QB play. Think about that.
They're unable to coach up the backups like other teams do. Another reason not to keep him around.

This offense has more than enough talent to do better than a franchise record low. There's really no excuse for this, not for a guy who's supposedly this offensive mastermind.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:18 AM   #53
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I think thats a bullshit argument, to a degree.

If you were to tell us 3 years ago that we would take a safety top five and follow it up with a first round wide out, I would LOL @U.

Pioli has shown to be able to recognize and select the talent of the draft the last two that fits what the team needs.

I dont see anything that says he wouldn't take a first round quarterback if one is there that he believes in and sees it as a similar need as most of us do.
I wouldn't be harping so much for first round pick if indeed they would show trust in a 5th round developmental QB and just show there willing to give up on this retread bull shit this organization is so accustom too. I trusted Pioli with Stanzi in the late round thinking we may have got a gem at that spot. Who knows how he will work out? What we are watching is an abomination of desolation from Cassel to Palko one fluke Orton play and back to Palko. With no intent what so ever to give a rookie QB an ounce of a shot to prove that he just may have what it takes.

Makes no since to me how the hell this franchise has gone over 25 years with out drafting a touted first round draft pick QBotf? I don't mind getting a once in a life time FS with the 3 overal pick but for us to neglect the QB after so many years of FAILURE at the most important position is a crime to the fans & the rest of the team that depends on that guy to go year in and year out to the battle field.
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No, I said I thought he would be fired if we had continued our losing streak.

And he definitely would have been fired if we had lost to Indy.

Kyle Boller, Curtis Painter and a miracle snap saved Haley's job for a few more weeks.


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There were people on here calling for Haley's head after ONE YEAR.

I was not among them.

Hell, we suffered the worst home playoff loss in franchise history and I didn't want him fired.

My knees are fine.
Haley's team played outstanding in the playoffs.

His QB gave away the game in the third quarter.

"It's the Quarterback, stupid"
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Before the season started many people said 7-9,8-8 would actually be a pretty good year if there was progress. Now if at that time you had said we will lose Charles Barry and Moeaki for just about the whole season most would have thought that to be a great season for Haley.

Yes it would be a mistake.
Looking at the record on paper doesn't tell the whole story though. It doesn't recognize when the team won in spite of bad play calling, poor personnel decisions, poor clock management, etc.

Personally, I'd probably give him another year. However, if he's fired, I understand why and wouldn't be up in arms over it.
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They're unable to coach up the backups like other teams do. Another reason not to keep him around.
I don't expect Haley to coach up Tyler Palko.

I do expect him to have the sense to know he should be flinging footballs in the UFL.

Palko is clearly a Haley guy. He's not even here if Haley doesn't run into him in Arizona.
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OK, man.

Are you going to apologize to me when Haley is canned?
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It's fathomable. It's amazing to me that there are a million and a half threads about the importance of a franchise QB, yet the same people think Haley should win games in spite of it. And considering how untalented our RBs are right now, we also happen to have a #11 ranked run offense, which is actually kind of amazing.

I don't care about offensive production. What's more important is what puts our team in the best position to win. Haley seems convinced that the key is to keep the ball out of the hands of our QB. And that seems to be a smart concept. If Haley had a QB he can go vertical with, I guarantee you this offense would look completely different.
I'm not talking about winning games. I'm talking about putting an offense on the field that looks like it's playing the same game the other team is playing.

Spare me the excuses, he went into the season with Tyler Palko as his number two, he's a dipshit.
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They're unable to coach up the backups like other teams do. Another reason not to keep him around.

This offense has more than enough talent to do better than a franchise record low. There's really no excuse for this, not for a guy who's supposedly this offensive mastermind.
What do you mean "coach up" backups?

You mean a journeyman who can't throw over 30 yards and a 5th round rookie?

There is an excuse. It's that Pioli walked into the season so arrogant about his QB that he didn't seem to think our QB situation was a problem.
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