Chiefs Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? - Page 20

**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

CoMoChief · 12-08-2011, 07:14 PM

At first I thought the Weis to KU was a rumor.......didn't think it would happen.

This practically confirms Haley kicked his ass out the door due to Weis' comments about moving due to family issues.

I didn't want to believe that Haley kicked him out, so I turned away from it. Weis made our offense good and made Matt Cassel respectable. Ever since Weis left Haley has hired a "yes man" OC with little playcalling experience, allowing Haley to once again take over the reigns whenever he wanted.

His blowups towards his coaching staff are embarrassing to the team, and it shows everyone why people around the league think Haley is an asshole. His ego is tremendously large for someone that rode on the backs of a future HOF QB (Warner) and probably future HOF WR (Fitz) and never played football at a high competitive level.

Haley needs to be fired. When your ego gets in the way of how the team operates...there needs to be a change. There's a reason why this offense keeps lining up with 10 seconds on the play clock. Muir says one thing, Haley says another.....Haley eventually gets pissed and tells Muir to

and then takes over PC.

**DeezNutz** · 12-08-2011, 07:16 PM

It's funny that we're debating one of the more obvious decisions in recent Chiefs history. The ancillary benefit of cutting ties with Haley is that we're one step closer to kicking Pioli's ass out of town if it continues to prove itself worthless.

splatbass · 12-08-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Todd Haley would rather just call the QB a ****ing pussy.

The QB is a ****ing pussy. What was your point again?

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

The QB is a ****ing pussy. What was your point again?

Keep calling him a pussy and he'll probably remain a pussy.

DTLB58 · 12-08-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Come on.

Did you view Alex Smith as a real QB?

Harbaugh took a shit team, with no off season, in his first year to clinching the division in week 13.

Even John Fox rewrote the entire Broncos offense to win games with ****ing Tebow.

I wouldn't say Gore, Crabtree, Vernon Davis plus the OL they been spending high picks on as well as Justin Smith and Patrick Willis as shit.

The cupboard wasn't bare when he got there.

And as far as Alex Smith being a real QB? he was a #1 pick right?

How much experience did Cassel have and where was he drafted?

-King- · 12-08-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's funny that we're debating one of the more obvious decisions in recent Chiefs history. The ancillary benefit of cutting ties with Haley is that we're one step closer to kicking Pioli's ass out of town if it continues to prove itself worthless.

This team is one player away from contending. Why would you want to fire Pioli? Because he's missed out on great Qbs like Mark Sanchez and Jimmy Clausen?

He's one qb short of having one of the most complete teams in the NFL....but you want him fired

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jd1020 · 12-08-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

I wouldn't say Gore, Crabtree, Vernon Davis plus the OL they been spending high picks on as well as Justin Smith and Patrick Willis as shit.

The cupboard wasn't bare when he got there.

And as far as Alex Smith being a real QB? he was a #1 pick right?

How much experience did Cassel have and where was he drafted?

He was the #1 pick... 7 years ago.

mcaj22 · 12-08-2011, 07:27 PM

yea but the 49ers have a lot of talent around the QB

a lot more than the Chiefs, and we are in year 3 of a "new coach"

49ers have parts for any coach with a brain to step in and be competitive. Especially on defense.

jd1020 · 12-08-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

yea but the 49ers have a lot of talent around the QB

a lot more than the Chiefs, and we are in year 3 of a "new coach"

49ers have parts for any coach with a brain to step in and be competitive. Especially on defense.

Time for the Chiefs to start rebuilding. No talent...

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-08-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

At first I thought the Weis to KU was a rumor.......didn't think it would happen.

This practically confirms Haley kicked his ass out the door due to Weis' comments about moving due to family issues.

I didn't want to believe that Haley kicked him out, so I turned away from it. Weis made our offense good and made Matt Cassel respectable. Ever since Weis left Haley has hired a "yes man" OC with little playcalling experience, allowing Haley to once again take over the reigns whenever he wanted.

His blowups towards his coaching staff are embarrassing to the team, and it shows everyone why people around the league think Haley is an asshole. His ego is tremendously large for someone that rode on the backs of a future HOF QB (Warner) and probably future HOF WR (Fitz) and never played football at a high competitive level.

Haley needs to be fired. When your ego gets in the way of how the team operates...there needs to be a change. There's a reason why this offense keeps lining up with 10 seconds on the play clock. Muir says one thing, Haley says another.....Haley eventually gets pissed and tells Muir to

and then takes over PC.

There is the kiss of death for the haters. Todd will get an extension and become very successful.

Okie_Apparition · 12-08-2011, 07:48 PM

& what was the result after the dressing down

~the grudge fap most be some good shit

Marcellus · 12-08-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Keep calling him a pussy and he'll probably remain a pussy.

You would know.

Marcellus · 12-08-2011, 07:51 PM

I think it all depends on what the off season plans are at QB etc....

If they plan to do the same dumb shit, Haley may as well go.

I would like to see Haley get a chance with a decent QB.

Titty Meat · 12-08-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Are you seriously trying to say Bowe is mailing it in (when he obviously isnt) because he doesn't believe in Haley (the guy he credits over and over with him taking his game to the next level)?

Hey, lets go ahead and grade the guy on times with a horrible quarterback as if thats indicative of how well he can coach WHEN HE HAS THE PIECES TO SUCCEED.

This team + QB = contender

ANY team =/= a qb = not a contender

He's had more pieces than Herm and only has won a few more games in 3 years than Herm.

ChiefsCountry · 12-08-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

There is the kiss of death for the haters. Todd will get an extension and become very successful.

Remember what I said earlier.

View Poll Results: Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?
yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built.	142	61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please.	79	34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks.	11	4.74%
Voters: 232. You may not vote on this poll

12-07-2011, 11:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1595912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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12-08-2011, 07:14 PM	#286
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	At first I thought the Weis to KU was a rumor.......didn't think it would happen. This practically confirms Haley kicked his ass out the door due to Weis' comments about moving due to family issues. I didn't want to believe that Haley kicked him out, so I turned away from it. Weis made our offense good and made Matt Cassel respectable. Ever since Weis left Haley has hired a "yes man" OC with little playcalling experience, allowing Haley to once again take over the reigns whenever he wanted. His blowups towards his coaching staff are embarrassing to the team, and it shows everyone why people around the league think Haley is an asshole. His ego is tremendously large for someone that rode on the backs of a future HOF QB (Warner) and probably future HOF WR (Fitz) and never played football at a high competitive level. Haley needs to be fired. When your ego gets in the way of how the team operates...there needs to be a change. There's a reason why this offense keeps lining up with 10 seconds on the play clock. Muir says one thing, Haley says another.....Haley eventually gets pissed and tells Muir to and then takes over PC.
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12-08-2011, 07:27 PM	#293
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	yea but the 49ers have a lot of talent around the QB a lot more than the Chiefs, and we are in year 3 of a "new coach" 49ers have parts for any coach with a brain to step in and be competitive. Especially on defense.
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12-08-2011, 07:48 PM	#296
Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	& what was the result after the dressing down ~the grudge fap most be some good shit
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12-08-2011, 07:51 PM	#298
Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-357338	I think it all depends on what the off season plans are at QB etc.... If they plan to do the same dumb shit, Haley may as well go. I would like to see Haley get a chance with a decent QB.
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