Chiefs Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? - Page 26

**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-09-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

I'm sure Haley went to Pioli and told him he was fine with Palko.

A GM has to have SOME level of trust in his head coach.

But they dont like each other from your lips cant have it both ways

Brock · 12-09-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Shouldn't be hard to name one then.

I can only think of one. Matt Hasselbeck, but he signed with the Titans to start so he wouldn't have come here to back up.

I thought you named a couple yourself, Matt Moore and ?

Hammock Parties · 12-09-2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

But they dont like each other from your lips cant have it both ways

Why does that matter? It's a working relationship.

They both deserve blame for the decision to make Palko the #2, though.

Haley for bringing his Arizona buddy on board and Pioli for letting him get away with it.

Titty Meat · 12-09-2011, 04:09 PM

Hopefully someone has this thread bookmarked. It's going to be a fun off season.

jd1020 · 12-09-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I thought you named a couple yourself, Matt Moore and ?

I did. But, I'm not talking hindsight here. I thought it would have been a good idea to pick up Matt Moore, but I seemed to have been the only who thought that was a good idea.

splatbass · 12-09-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Actually, more people think that he is staying than going.

I am really torn on whether he should be here.

The team hasn't given up, which is huge. However, he has lost four ballgames by more than four TD's. He set the franchise record low for number of TD's in a month. (1 in the entire month of November)

Rumors swirl that he has a hard time working with Pioli. One could blame Pioli.

Then, you look at the fact that he fired Gailey during the offseason in his first year. Okay, fine, it is because he has a difference of philosophy.

Then, you look at the fact that Weis and he were rumored to have a difficult relationship. And, it was reported that Haley took over the playcalling duty. Then, Weis leaves, pointing to family reasons. (only, one year later, he is back in the same area and those reasons haven't changed.)

Many on this board feel like he doesn't work well with Cassel. Cassel is a hard worker. McDaniels (the OC that worked with him in New England), coveted him and wanted him in Denver. Despite whether he is any good, this at least speaks to the fact that Cassel is not hard to work with.

Any of these can be excused away. However, as a whole.... it paints the picture that Haley is an insecure, petulant, micro manager who isn't well adjusted enough to run an NFL team.

I think that he should be fired just because he can't get plays in to the QB on time and he can't seem to get along with the people he needs to.

Lots of rumors, no facts.

splatbass · 12-09-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Yeah, you can blame Pioli for Cassel....but Palko is all Haley.

Link?

**notorious** · 12-09-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Franchise record low scoring offense.

Think about the coaches this team has had in the past, and this supposed offensive genius has done worse than they have.

Injuries, no injuries, that's unfathomable. If this team keeps him around for the last year of his contract, it will be for the same reason Carolina and Tennessee kept their lame duck coaches around: They were simply too ****ing cheap to pay them to just go away.

Mother

****ing

This

It's mind blowing that this offense is worse than the atrocities that Herm Edwards ran onto the field.

**DeezNutz** · 12-09-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

It's mind blowing that this offense is worse than the atrocities that Herm Edwards ran onto the field.

Herm was a better coach. Simple as that. And "better" does not equal "good."

Titty Meat · 12-09-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Herm was a better coach. Simple as that. And "better" does not equal "good."

All speculation.

splatbass · 12-09-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Herm was a better coach. Simple as that.

Herm coddled his players causing them to be weak and quit on the team. Haley is 10x the coach Herm was.

**DeezNutz** · 12-09-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

All speculation.

Have you seen my touchdown?

Hammock Parties · 12-09-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Herm coddled his players causing them to be weak and quit on the team. Haley is 10x the coach Herm was.

Explain how Herm's players quit on him. That team was fighting their asses off down the stretch in 2008. Just about every game was close. And this was a team on their third QB.

Titty Meat · 12-09-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Have you seen my touchdown?

I was quoting that dumbass Splatbass.

I don't think i'd go as far to say Herm was a better coach though.

**DeezNutz** · 12-09-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Herm coddled his players...

Like Camp Snoopy 2011?

Haley can't get a ****ing play in. 3rd and 1 on the opponent's 22? FG. Next move? Onside.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1615912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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