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Old 01-10-2012, 12:00 AM  
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Starting to think the Chiefs will need to trade down... or...

Normally I do not advocate this stuff, because I am usually not a fan of trading down in the first round. But I've been looking over the talent in this upcoming draft and I think this might need to be the case.

First, let's take a look at the elite talent that has no chance of making it out of the first round:

QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
QB Robert Griffin, Baylor
WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
OT Matt Kalil, USC
CB Morris Claiborne, LSU

The remaining top tier talent doesn't really match up value with what we want, with one major exception.

RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
WR Alshon Jeffrey, South Carolina
OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford
OT Riley Reiff, Iowa
OG David DeCastro, Stanford
DT Devin Still, Penn State
DE Quentin Coples, North Carolina
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama

Scott Pioli is a legit believer in draft value, though he has broken with it before when he drafted Eric Berry. I don't think he breaks it two out of three years however, so players like Richardson, DeCastro, and Kuechly don't really seem to warrant a Top 12 pick.

It also seems to eliminate right tackle. It's been two years of Pioli passing over right tackle after right tackle, even with last year's great prospects like Carimi and Castonzo. So I think that takes Martin (who honestly isn't right tackle material to me) and Reiff out of the equation.

Meanwhile, we can eliminate the players that don't fit our defense (Still, Coples).

That leaves us with the corners. You can take Jenkins out of consideration since there is no way Pioli wants a guy with his character questions.

Kirkpatrick is a perfect fit for this team ONLY IF this team lets Brandon Carr walk. If Carr stays on the roster, we really have no need for Kirkpatrick, either.

That leaves me to believe the Chiefs will almost certainly try to trade down until they get a tackle or one of the lesser valued positions (ILB, RB, NT) at a much better value.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:16 AM   #16
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We need a RB like Christian Okoye or John Alstott or the Bus to compliment JC.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:56 AM   #17
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We need a RB like Christian Okoye or John Alstott or the Bus to compliment JC.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:20 AM   #18
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If Trent Richardson is there when we pick we should take him. Best running back in college.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:27 AM   #19
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Richardson is worthy of being a top 10 pick. If he's there when we pick, Pioli would be stupid not to consider him because...

- he'll probably be the best player available
- he'd be a great insurance policy if Jamaal isn't the same player after the ACL injury

Alshon Jeffrey is a beast of a receiver, but I don't see Pioli taking him since Bowe will be re-signed/franchised, and we just spent a 1st rounder on Baldwin last year.

I can see us going with a G or RT, even though it wouldn't be a great value unless we trade down. If we do go OL, we definitely need to trade down.
Richardson would help make Cassel look like a quarterback.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:11 AM   #20
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I'd probably rather a stud OL (not sure what's available) than a stud RB, but until management formulates and executes a plan to acquire a genuine QB it's all fairly academic anyway.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:34 AM   #21
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:35 AM   #22
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Richardson would help make Cassel look like a quarterback.
Yeah because they'd have him throw the ball even less.

Taking Trent Richardson would set this franchise back at least 3 more years.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:36 AM   #23
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I'd probably rather a stud OL (not sure what's available) than a stud RB, but until management formulates and executes a plan to acquire a genuine QB it's all fairly academic anyway.
Yep.

Taking the stud RB just gives them an excuse to try and go with the dogshit we have at QB.

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Old 01-10-2012, 07:36 AM   #24
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We need a RB like Christian Okoye or John Alstott or the Bus to compliment JC.
Because Christian Okoye won so many playoff games...
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:41 AM   #25
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We need a RB like Christian Okoye or John Alstott or the Bus to compliment JC.
I say this every damn year, but you don't need a "bruiser" to pick up short yardage. The team does need a back that can get the short yardage, but some of the best short yardage backs to ever play the game aren't lard buckets.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:43 AM   #26
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I wouldn't mind them trading back 3-4 spots, but I'm hoping for Tannehill or one of the Offensive Tackles.
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Old 01-10-2012, 08:00 AM   #27
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I say this every damn year, but you don't need a "bruiser" to pick up short yardage. The team does need a back that can get the short yardage, but some of the best short yardage backs to ever play the game aren't lard buckets.
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Old 01-10-2012, 08:01 AM   #28
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RB isn't necessarily worth a top 12 pick. The fact is that RBs in general just aren't as valuable as they were even 10-20 years ago.

That said, the Pats were ready to take Stephen Jackson in 2004 until Vince Wilfork slipped to them, and then took Laurence Maroney in the 20s in whatever woe-begotten year that was (2006 I think), so clearly BB (FWIW) is willing to spend a 1st on RB.

But with JC in the house already, and with ACL usually not ruining a career (see Welker, Wes), I'm not sure it's where the Chiefs need to focus their draft choice investments.
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RB isn't necessarily worth a top 12 pick. The fact is that RBs in general just aren't as valuable as they were even 10-20 years ago.

That said, the Pats were ready to take Stephen Jackson in 2004 until Vince Wilfork slipped to them, and then took Laurence Maroney in the 20s in whatever woe-begotten year that was (2006 I think), so clearly BB (FWIW) is willing to spend a 1st on RB.

But with JC in the house already, and with ACL usually not ruining a career (see Welker, Wes), I'm not sure it's where the Chiefs need to focus their draft choice investments.
The thing is JC hasn't shown or giving the opportunity that he can carry the rock 20 or 25 times a game. Plus our depth behind him is really crap. Richardson will be a stud. Yea we can get a back later but he could be maroney part 2. Grab and o-line in the second.
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