Starting to think the Chiefs will need to trade down... or...

[Direckshun]

Normally I do not advocate this stuff, because I am usually not a fan of trading down in the first round. But I've been looking over the talent in this upcoming draft and I think this might need to be the case.

First, let's take a look at the elite talent that has no chance of making it out of the first round:

QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
QB Robert Griffin, Baylor
WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
OT Matt Kalil, USC
CB Morris Claiborne, LSU

The remaining top tier talent doesn't really match up value with what we want, with one major exception.

RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
WR Alshon Jeffrey, South Carolina
OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford
OT Riley Reiff, Iowa
OG David DeCastro, Stanford
DT Devin Still, Penn State
DE Quentin Coples, North Carolina
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama

Scott Pioli is a legit believer in draft value, though he has broken with it before when he drafted Eric Berry. I don't think he breaks it two out of three years however, so players like Richardson, DeCastro, and Kuechly don't really seem to warrant a Top 12 pick.

It also seems to eliminate right tackle. It's been two years of Pioli passing over right tackle after right tackle, even with last year's great prospects like Carimi and Castonzo. So I think that takes Martin (who honestly isn't right tackle material to me) and Reiff out of the equation.

Meanwhile, we can eliminate the players that don't fit our defense (Still, Coples).

That leaves us with the corners. You can take Jenkins out of consideration since there is no way Pioli wants a guy with his character questions.

Kirkpatrick is a perfect fit for this team ONLY IF this team lets Brandon Carr walk. If Carr stays on the roster, we really have no need for Kirkpatrick, either.

That leaves me to believe the Chiefs will almost certainly try to trade down until they get a tackle or one of the lesser valued positions (ILB, RB, NT) at a much better value.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by suds79

As much as I like Trent Richardson, RB is a position that can easily be found in the mid rounds to late.

Plus it's a position where your guy will likely be done in 5 years.

Can't invest a first in that.

Kind of tired of seeing people spout this over and over again. Yes, Good backs can be found in later rounds.

ELITE backs...not so much.

Trent Richardson is an Elite back.

He is an Elite talent and the Chiefs would be reeruned not to pick him there. The guy is instant offense, similar to the way Berry was instant Defense.

If Orton is re-signed, having a tandem of backs like JC and Richardson would allow a guy like Orton (who uses the Play Action very effectivly) to open up the passing game.

This whole theory that taking an elite back will set this franchise back is full of holes.

What if Cassel or Orton goes down and Stanzi/Rookie Qb have to start? Having a pair of backs like that will make their job a Lot easier.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Kind of tired of seeing people spout this over and over again. Yes, Good backs can be found in later rounds.

ELITE backs...not so much.

Trent Richardson is an Elite back.

He is an Elite talent and the Chiefs would be reeruned not to pick him there. The guy is instant offense, similar to the way Berry was instant Defense.

If Orton is re-signed, having a tandem of backs like JC and Richardson would allow a guy like Orton (who uses the Play Action very effectivly) to open up the passing game.

This whole theory that taking an elite back will set this franchise back is full of holes.

What if Cassel or Orton goes down and Stanzi/Rookie Qb have to start? Having a pair of backs like that will make their job a Lot easier.

Great post.

If Richardson can beast in the red zone then Orton becomes a much better QB.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Kind of tired of seeing people spout this over and over again. Yes, Good backs can be found in later rounds.

ELITE backs...not so much.

Trent Richardson is an Elite back.

He is an Elite talent and the Chiefs would be reeruned not to pick him there. The guy is instant offense, similar to the way Berry was instant Defense.

If Orton is re-signed, having a tandem of backs like JC and Richardson would allow a guy like Orton (who uses the Play Action very effectivly) to open up the passing game.

This whole theory that taking an elite back will set this franchise back is full of holes.

What if Cassel or Orton goes down and Stanzi/Rookie Qb have to start? Having a pair of backs like that will make their job a Lot easier.

Excellent. With the new slotting system, you aren't paying eleventy-billion dollars for them, either.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

I like the idea mentioned of us trading back into the second round and picking up an extra 1st for next year. We all know we are not drafting a 1st round QB this year but perhaps it would set us up to package the two first round picks to get to the top of the draft next year for someone like Barkley.

[Demonpenz]

I would love to have a good running back, with the way arrowhead is with the field and all we could play defense run the ball and win lots of games.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Having a pair of backs like that will make their job a Lot easier.

A lot easier to win 8-9 games a year, fill the stadium, and never have to hassle with finding a real QB.

Yep, that sounds like a great plan.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I would love to have a good running back, with the way arrowhead is with the field and all we could play defense run the ball and win lots of games.

Exactly. Regular season wins FTW!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

So take a right tackle which you can get in the 4th round over a gamer changer? That doesn't make sense.

A right tackle doesn't dictate offensive philosophy. A RB like Richardson does.

Ask the Vikings how much they're enjoying the playoffs. Or ask the Jags.

[Bowser]

We're ****ed if we do, and ****ed if we don't.

[prhom]

Originally Posted by Renegade

So if there is no value for us when pick in the first, what team would see value to trade upto our pick. I just don't see us finding a viable trade partner.

My thoughts exactly. Same thing happened when we took Tyson Jackson at #3. No one liked the pick but couldn't think of anyone to pick with better value. No one seemed to want to trade us for that pick either.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

A lot easier to win 8-9 games a year, fill the stadium, and never have to hassle with finding a real QB.

Yep, that sounds like a great plan.

You seem to think finding a QB can't coexist with loading up on elite talent. I disagree. Cassel will shit his pants no matter what. When they lost to Baltimore they identified the passing game as the main weakness. they addressed the receiver position. If the passing game continues to not work, there is only one more answer. There won't be any denying that a QB is needed. They've used up all their scapegoats already.

1. WR. Check

2. HC. Check

3. OC. Check

4. HB. Check

What's left?

Let me ask you this, would you prefer a new RT for our new QB next year, or a stud RB?

[prhom]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Kind of tired of seeing people spout this over and over again. Yes, Good backs can be found in later rounds.

ELITE backs...not so much.

Trent Richardson is an Elite back.

He is an Elite talent and the Chiefs would be reeruned not to pick him there. The guy is instant offense, similar to the way Berry was instant Defense.

If Orton is re-signed, having a tandem of backs like JC and Richardson would allow a guy like Orton (who uses the Play Action very effectivly) to open up the passing game.

This whole theory that taking an elite back will set this franchise back is full of holes.

What if Cassel or Orton goes down and Stanzi/Rookie Qb have to start? Having a pair of backs like that will make their job a Lot easier.

The only thing worse than passing on a QB would be reaching for a qb that we could get in the second.

That said I'd love to have another great RB to go with Charles. This season is a good example of why you need to have a tandem of RBs. Charles may or may not be the same as before after he recovers. We drafted LJ when Priest was healthy and it seemed strange but then when we needed LJ he was ready to go. Whether or not drafting Richardson will keep us from getting a QB I don't know but I would rather draft a talent with our first pick than trade down for a couple extra bodies.

[CaliforniaChief]

If we can't move up and grab RG3, then I'd love Richardson. Detoxing made all the points...but a Charles/Richardson/McCluster combination would just be SICK.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by prhom

The only thing worse than passing on a QB would be reaching for a qb that we could get in the second.

That said I'd love to have another great RB to go with Charles. This season is a good example of why you need to have a tandem of RBs. Charles may or may not be the same as before after he recovers. We drafted LJ when Priest was healthy and it seemed strange but then when we needed LJ he was ready to go. Whether or not drafting Richardson will keep us from getting a QB I don't know but I would rather draft a talent with our first pick than trade down for a couple extra bodies.

The only thing drafting a RB SHOULD do is keep us from drafting another RB.

I understand what htis is saying and where he is finding his logic, but I don't think we should pass on a great player "just in case" Pioli doesn't realize we need a QB.

[HMc]

I'm amazed how quickly planeteers that claim to want to strip the cupboard bare and build the team properly are suddenly in love with a running back because it will give us a great 1-2 punch with JC.

**** me, how many downs do you think we're going to have to exploit this fabulous combo without a QB?

Larry Johnson was the best thing since Jim Brown when he was here because he had a bit of bulk about him and ran through people (on occasion). We got two good seasons out of him and now he's out of the league.

Even IF Richardson is the second coming and we have the best RBBC in the league, how does that help us win games in the NFL? You can count on RBs giving you about three excellent years these days before they pop a knee ligament of just become worn out.

By the time any QB we get is good enough to let us compete, thie Richardson will either be busted, or will have pissed of to NYC or Washington for crazy money.