We are in a GREAT position

[durtyrute]

I've been sitting back, going through these threads for the last couple of days reading how: if we keep Romeo that means Cassel, if we would've gotten McD that meant Cassel, Pioli has the biggest ego, Clark Hunt is cheap, 40 years means we will never get a QB and on and on and on.

When Clark officially took over what did he do? He went out and got the best candidate for the job. Whatever the price, he paid it. Then Pioli brought in Haley, who just came from the SuperBowl. (Seemed good at the time and there weren't too many complaints when we went to the playoffs) Then Pioli got us a QB and a Vet LB for a second round pick. (Again, it seemed good at the time, and Cassel did pretty good the season before and when we went to the playoffs) The first draft was a bust, but that is not on the Clarks...lol, that's Pioli and his goons right there. We bring in some cast offs and try to make them stick, most don't, (again, the goons plus Haley at work) Season is a bust and we sucked.

Next season, bring in the best OC and DC you can get, money be damned. The draft was a huge success. We get some decent free agents. No, big names, but we did alright. Haley is almost the coach of the year. Cassel backs that ass up right into the playoffs. We lose, we suck again.

This season, the draft seems alright, shortened offseason, weird preseason (you can debate that if you choose). Injuries, suckage, injuries, suckage, Palko, ultimate suckage, Haley gone, Orton, succesful suckage, season over, RAC city.

Now here we are and all you guys can say is Clark never spends, even though he got the best: GM, OC, DC and OC (Haley) money could buy. For the most part he has signed all of the players we need to keep. Looks like he is spending to me. The whole Smith thing I don't know what that was, so if you feel you must count that then go ahead.

We have a GM that is on his last leg. You guys talk about his ego, for one, most people have egos especially in pro sports, so who cares if he does? For two, do you really think he's going to let the season go to shit because of Cassel? Why would he do that? Oh, he won't bench or cut him because that's admitting a mistake, well Todd Haley says hi.

Now the draft a QB thing. The ****ing draft hasn't even happened yet, shit the SuperBowl hasn't happened and you guys are crying about shit that has happened in the past that has nothing to do with the future. We don't know if we will trade up or not. No one in the organization has been in this situation before, not Pioli or Clark, so can we atleast wait for the draft. As i've shown, Clark is doing what he thinks is right and plus he's a business man he's not going to blow his money because some people in a forum want him too.

I for one think we are in a great position both Pioli and Rac are trying to save there asses and if it comes down to Pioli or Cassel who do you think will be gone first. Now, if we don't sign Bowe and Carr, go into the season with just Cassel and don't draft a qb or at least let Stanzi battle with Cassel then we should burn the place down, but until then.....

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

When Clark took over, his stated priority was to draft and develop a QB.

In yesterday's presser, he said we needed to draft well and retain our home-grown talent. No mention of QB.

Clark can go **** himself.

Matt Cassel has won games and taken this team to the playoffs before.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by MotherLover

The final 3 games were a job interview, plain and simple. If he'd have played Stanzi he would probably not be the head coach.


There are 2 ways that you could argue this. The first being playing the rookie and giving him a chance to develop was best for the franchise, but most likely would have lost the guy they deemed to be the best fit as a head coach. The second being, we got the best fit at head coach and that's what's best for the franchise.

I agree and don't blame Crennel at all. I just think Pioli should have stepped in and made the decision. I don't like the idea of using the last 3 games to test out the HC instead of the young QB.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

If you are in a postion to trade a second round pick for a qB that had an 89 something rating and a 10-5 record the year before, you do it. That takes up three years right there. Didn't we draft Brokie somewhere in there before that? They thought he was it, he wasn't, but they tried. They drafted Stanzi, he hasn't played but they did something.

I want what you want too, I'll give me a few more to show me something. If you choose not to thats cool.

Time to go home see you nuts in a few hours

If it were me... I'd look at his previous experience, and see that he had been a perennial backup his entire existence... Having not started an entire college game and all... That might play in to the decision just a little bit.

"They tried." isn't good enough for a franchise that hasn't won shit for 20 years. .

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Matt Cassel has won games and taken this team to the playoffs before.

Can you name all the teams with winning records at the end of the year that Cassel has beaten since coming to KC? Hint, you can count them on one hand. Further hint, he had 0 this year in his 9 starts but maybe that's not fair since we only played one team with a winning record while he was starting and we were 4-5.


The answer is two, 9-7 San Diego last year and 9-7 Pittsburg in 2009. He was 10-22 for 68 yards with 1 TD against the Chargers and he was 15-30 for 248 yards against the Steelers with 2 TD. Both games featured a special teams score. For the record he was 0-1 last year, 1-2 in 2010, 1-5 in 2009. That gives him a smoldering 16-13 record against teams .500 or lower.


Now, how many times has Matt Cassel thrown for under 150 yards since coming here? 9. He's completed 57.2% of his passes with the Chiefs which is 3 points below league average.

In all that time his apologists always have the excuses ready. His receivers weren't good enough, his line wasn't good enough, all the injuries. He couldn't hit his receivers, he held on to the ball too long and the Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl with 16 guys on IR last year.

Stop making excuses for the guy and admit he is a below average QB that needs to go.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

I'm starting when Clark officially took over. It's only been a couple of years. You guys are blaming Clark for shit that happened when he was still sucking from his moms teet.

At the time of the hires, who were better than Weis and Crennel? As for Haley, if you were running a franchise wouldn't you want the guy that ran the high powered offense that just went to the superbowl?

Galey wasn't retained, cast off from old regime (doesn't mean he wasn't good)

Haley sucked as OC (turns out it was Weisenhunts offense not Haley's, plus having Fitz and Warner helps) Missed that one

Weis didn't like Haley, or whatever (he was still good)

And if you mean Gramps as the fourth OC. I don't know what that was about.

Haley, Weis and Crennel were great hires. We can't go back now and say, "see, we should've never hired the OC from a Superbowl team, or an OC from a Superbowl winning team."

Now, I'll give you the last part. We aren't leaps and bounds better, that was a bit of an overstatement on my part, but I'll take these Chiefs over Herms, Vermeils, and Gunthers. (I would love to have Vermeils, but that defense was so bad it makes it a wash for me)

This is actually a solid post. His points are valid.


Carl sucked so bad, that Pioli is being lumped in with Carl's ineptness.

Carl had SEVENTEEN FRIGGIN' YEARS, Pioli, is just getting started. Night and Day.

****... this is only year four, of the five year plan...

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

I've been sitting back, going through these threads for the last couple of days reading how: if we keep Romeo that means Cassel, if we would've gotten McD that meant Cassel, Pioli has the biggest ego, Clark Hunt is cheap, 40 years means we will never get a QB and on and on and on.

When Clark officially took over what did he do? He went out and got the best candidate for the job. Whatever the price, he paid it. Then Pioli brought in Haley, who just came from the SuperBowl. (Seemed good at the time and there weren't too many complaints when we went to the playoffs) Then Pioli got us a QB and a Vet LB for a second round pick. (Again, it seemed good at the time, and Cassel did pretty good the season before and when we went to the playoffs) The first draft was a bust, but that is not on the Clarks...lol, that's Pioli and his goons right there. We bring in some cast offs and try to make them stick, most don't, (again, the goons plus Haley at work) Season is a bust and we sucked.

Next season, bring in the best OC and DC you can get, money be damned. The draft was a huge success. We get some decent free agents. No, big names, but we did alright. Haley is almost the coach of the year. Cassel backs that ass up right into the playoffs. We lose, we suck again.

This season, the draft seems alright, shortened offseason, weird preseason (you can debate that if you choose). Injuries, suckage, injuries, suckage, Palko, ultimate suckage, Haley gone, Orton, succesful suckage, season over, RAC city.

Now here we are and all you guys can say is Clark never spends, even though he got the best: GM, OC, DC and OC (Haley) money could buy. For the most part he has signed all of the players we need to keep. Looks like he is spending to me. The whole Smith thing I don't know what that was, so if you feel you must count that then go ahead.

We have a GM that is on his last leg. You guys talk about his ego, for one, most people have egos especially in pro sports, so who cares if he does? For two, do you really think he's going to let the season go to shit because of Cassel? Why would he do that? Oh, he won't bench or cut him because that's admitting a mistake, well Todd Haley says hi.

Now the draft a QB thing. The ****ing draft hasn't even happened yet, shit the SuperBowl hasn't happened and you guys are crying about shit that has happened in the past that has nothing to do with the future. We don't know if we will trade up or not. No one in the organization has been in this situation before, not Pioli or Clark, so can we atleast wait for the draft. As i've shown, Clark is doing what he thinks is right and plus he's a business man he's not going to blow his money because some people in a forum want him too.

I for one think we are in a great position both Pioli and Rac are trying to save there asses and if it comes down to Pioli or Cassel who do you think will be gone first. Now, if we don't sign Bowe and Carr, go into the season with just Cassel and don't draft a qb or at least let Stanzi battle with Cassel then we should burn the place down, but until then.....

LOL Hey, it's ChiefsPlanet.

[Cornstock]

The frustrating thing about Cassel is he looks competent enough against bottom 10 defenses and sometimes even against the mediocre Ds. These occasional acceptable performances are apparently the only thing the FO is looking at because he is wretched against top 10 Ds and any D that we would hypothetically face in the playoffs, should we ever return in spite of him.

[farmerchief]

Originally Posted by Cornstock

The frustrating thing about Cassel is he looks competent enough against bottom 10 defenses and sometimes even against the mediocre Ds. These occasional acceptable performances are apparently the only thing the FO is looking at because he is wretched against top 10 Ds and any D that we would hypothetically face in the playoffs, should we ever return in spite of him.

Cassel, is a backup QB, fact, clear and simple. He is good enough to come in and hope, help you win a few games if needed, but not good enough to win games for you all season! Nice to have, when needed, but not the mainstay of your offense! Sad but true...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

This is actually a solid post. His points are valid.


Carl sucked so bad, that Pioli is being lumped in with Carl's ineptness.

Carl had SEVENTEEN FRIGGIN' YEARS, Pioli, is just getting started. Night and Day.

****... this is only year four, of the five year plan...

Actually, it's year ONE. We're stuck in the same place we were the day he arrived.

[durtyrute]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

If it were me... I'd look at his previous experience, and see that he had been a perennial backup his entire existence... Having not started an entire college game and all... That might play in to the decision just a little bit.

"They tried." isn't good enough for a franchise that hasn't won shit for 20 years. .

They swung big and missed. One can't possibly say now "oh it if were me I would have done the exact opposite since I know how it all worked out" Yea I'm sure they looked at his non playing experience, but I'm also sure they looked at what he did on the field and I guess that won.

You keep saying you don't want them to "try" or to go after someone they think is going to work. Well then what do you want them to do?

For me, it comes down to this offseason. I want either Cassel cut, benched or at least someone ready to take over the following year.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Actually, it's year ONE. We're stuck in the same place we were the day he arrived.

But we've learned SO MUCH since then...

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Actually, it's year ONE. We're stuck in the same place we were the day he arrived.

I disagree. I believe we are a franchise QB away from really turning the corner. We have some holes to fill, but if we are able to re-sign our players, add a few quality FAs and still add some picks in the draft(and undrafted rookies), plus Luck and we're an ascending team on the rise.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Can you name all the teams with winning records at the end of the year that Cassel has beaten since coming to KC? Hint, you can count them on one hand. Further hint, he had 0 this year in his 9 starts but maybe that's not fair since we only played one team with a winning record while he was starting and we were 4-5.


The answer is two, 9-7 San Diego last year and 9-7 Pittsburg in 2009. He was 10-22 for 68 yards with 1 TD against the Chargers and he was 15-30 for 248 yards against the Steelers with 2 TD. Both games featured a special teams score. For the record he was 0-1 last year, 1-2 in 2010, 1-5 in 2009. That gives him a smoldering 16-13 record against teams .500 or lower.


Now, how many times has Matt Cassel thrown for under 150 yards since coming here? 9. He's completed 57.2% of his passes with the Chiefs which is 3 points below league average.

In all that time his apologists always have the excuses ready. His receivers weren't good enough, his line wasn't good enough, all the injuries. He couldn't hit his receivers, he held on to the ball too long and the Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl with 16 guys on IR last year.

Stop making excuses for the guy and admit he is a below average QB that needs to go.

Your sarcasm meter is broke.