drafting Trent Richardson

[jlscorpio]

just saw the 2nd different mock that has us taking T-Rich 2.0 w/our 1st pick. I'm not opposed to it since no all-world DT is available this year. Here's the write up from Foxsports:

11. Kansas City Chiefs*: Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: The Chiefs lost Jamaal Charles in the second week of the 2011 NFL season, and the offense never rebounded. Charles should be back and healthy next season, but Richardson is the rare running back talent who can completely change an offense. The way this mock draft has unfolded, he’ll be slipping out of the Top 10 — something few scouts or experts expect. A different type of back from Charles, the two could work together to form a dynamic duo in the Kansas City backfield. Though Charles signed a five-year, $32 million extension in 2010, he’s not making the Adrian Peterson/Chris Johnson money you might expect. Richardson, a between-the-tackles grinder, is viewed as a much better pro prospect than his former teammate, Mark Ingram. In the rough-and-tumble AFC West, I love the thought of a Charles-Richardson platoon.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Their pass rush was the reason they won.

So what are you trying to convince me of here? That great D and a strong running game win championships?

Is that what you're saying?

Because all you're doing is making an argument for Richardson and Orton right now.

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by suds79

For everybody who says you can get a RB easily later in the draft, you can say the same thing about RT.

True, but an RT gives you value for 10 - 15 years and makes your other RB's better. Better to get a RB after the OL is in place because their career life is much shorter.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

So what are you trying to convince me of here? That great D and a strong running game win championships?

Is that what you're saying?

Because all you're doing is making an argument for Richardson and Orton right now.

Although people focus on QB's right now, yes, if you can get consistent pressure with your front 4, it increases your odds dramatically of winning in the postseason. Brees went untouched in his game. Stafford and Ryan got pressured. Tebow had time.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Trade Jamaal Charles for a 3rd rounder and this team looks pretty good

1st- Richardson
2nd -Smith RT
3rd - Andre -Center 3rd Mclainson Guard
4th- Johnson- Tight End
5th- Mcarthy - Dlineman
6th-????
7-?????/

That leads us to having a road grating right tackle with richardson. A center and a guard who have proven to have a nasty attitdude. We had some D-line help in the offseason. We draft a tight end that can block and catch a ball or two. Bring back Battle for special teams. That kind of team would be aweful tough to handle when the bad weather rolls around.

Is this what you'd call 'getting DemonPIEd?'

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Although people focus on QB's right now, yes, if you can get consistent pressure with your front 4, it increases your odds dramatically of winning in the postseason. Brees went untouched in his game. Stafford and Ryan got pressured. Tebow had time.

Ok. Good. So lets draft Richardson and continue to develop Hali, Houston & Baily.

Sounds like a plan to me.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

True, but an RT gives you value for 10 - 15 years and makes your other RB's better. Better to get a RB after the OL is in place because their career life is much shorter.

Good RB's find holes to run through when there seems to be none. See Jammal Charles, 2010.

There isn't anymore of a Guarantee that your RT is going to last you 10-15 years. Why that idea floats around, I have no idea. Ask the Rams and Jags about their high round tackles. There have been PLENTY of high round tackle busts. Russel Okung ring a bell?

And of all the positions that could be addressed between rounds 4-7, RT has to be at the top of the list.

Everyone suggesting #11 is too high for an Elite RB should slap themselves for not thinking the same regarding a freaking RT.

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by suds79

Adrain Peterson went 7 when he came out. Ran a flat 4.4 40 at the combine.

If Richardson is going top 10, he'll have to run a similar time. And he's a little bigger than AP. Hard for me to see that happening. Unless he's even freakier than I think.

richardson is likely a 4.5 guy, but his bench press is probably going to break a record for running backs

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

True, but an RT gives you value for 10 - 15 years and makes your other RB's better. Better to get a RB after the OL is in place because their career life is much shorter.

Right but you have to look at the options.

It's not just RB vs RT. It's Trent Richardson vs say a Jonathan Martin (6'6 305). Who's greater at their position?

And a lot of the top tackle prospects you'd take at 11 all played LT. So you're talking a position change.

Furthermore, this is a pet peeve of mine, all the top 1st round OT prospects are just over 3 bills. That drives me crazy. We already have just about the lightest O-line in the league who just so happens to be bad on 3rd & short. Shocking.

Our Center (who thankfully will be gone next year) was 285. I think we need some road graders up front. Where's the 330 Guard? Where's the 6'6 335 RT?

[suds79]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

richardson is likely a 4.5 guy, but his bench press is probably going to break a record for running backs

If he runs a 4.5, there's no way he goes top 10 IMO.

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by suds79

Right but you have to look at the options.

It's not just RB vs RT. It's Trent Richardson vs say a Jonathan Martin (6'6 305). Who's greater at their position?

And a lot of the top tackle prospects you'd take at 11 all played LT. So you're talking a position change.

Furthermore, this is a pet peeve of mine, all the top 1st round OT prospects are just over 3 bills. That drives me crazy. We already have just about the lightest O-line in the league who just so happens to be bad on 3rd & short. Shocking.

Our Center (who thankfully will be gone next year) was 285. I think we need some road graders up front. Where's the 330 Guard? Where's the 6'6 335 RT?

I understand what you are saying, and in many ways I agree. The argument you make about tackles in my mind fits Richardson. He might do better then I expect, but I do not think his game translates well to the NFL.

If they can move down for extra picks and address both RT and LG in this draft I would be happy. As I don't think the top tier QB's will drop to 11 it would be nice if they could pick up one of the second tier QB's in the late 1st or 2nd. If they do pick up Richardson I would not be upset, I just don't think he is so special that he should be a priority over QB or OL.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I understand what you are saying, and in many ways I agree. The argument you make about tackles in my mind fits Richardson. He might do better then I expect, but I do not think his game translates well to the NFL.

If they can move down for extra picks and address both RT and LG in this draft I would be happy. As I don't think the top tier QB's will drop to 11 it would be nice if they could pick up one of the second tier QB's in the late 1st or 2nd. If they do pick up Richardson I would not be upset, I just don't think he is so special that he should be a priority over QB or OL.

The transition for a RB from College to the Pros is about as seamless as it gets for a player. There is no other position in football that can transition as easily. Really, the only thing Richardson would have to work on is his pass protection.

Everything else is based off of his God-Given talent.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by Rausch

THIS IS NOT OUR BIGGEST NEED.

We spend a 1st on a HB (a position most teams can fill in the 3rd, 4th, or 5th) and I'll be livid...

This.

Forget QB (our biggest need).
We draft a RB over RT or NT and I'll be livid.

[Bump]

reaching for some NT who shouldn't be taken would piss me off. T Rich would not piss me off. We don't know if Charles will make a full recovery, it's unlikely if anything. I say draft him if he's there. Either that or a RT

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by suds79

If he runs a 4.5, there's no way he goes top 10 IMO.

You are a damn idiot. You need youth and break tackle ability with good speed. That's top 10.

Originally Posted by Micjones

This.

Forget QB (our biggest need).
We draft a RB over RT or NT and I'll be livid.

****ing reeruned.

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The transition for a RB from College to the Pros is about as seamless as it gets for a player. There is no other position in football that can transition as easily. Really, the only thing Richardson would have to work on is his pass protection.

Everything else is based off of his God-Given talent.

Again, another reason to address OL before RB.