These videos bring some FIRE!!!

[El Jefe]

These videos really get me fired up, if you don't respect what the videos encompass, please just leave it be. I'm not trying to start something that will get these things moved to the DC, so if you don't agree with them or think the videos are dumb I can respect that, but respect me and not post something nasty please.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by blaise

I really wouldn't call that bashing you, but if you're that thin skinned then sorry.

No, I didn't mean to say you were bashing me. FTR I am not very thin skinned, you should see some of the doozies I have been while here at CP

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

I don't understand... Jesus and Christianity are parallel. How can he hate one but love the other. I'm not Christian so enlighten me.

No he said Religion.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

He talked about Churches and Republicans/Christianity. It can be logically assumed that's the 'religion' he's talking about. Regardless, Just for the sake of argument let's say it's just religion. Religion and Jesus are still parallel. I don't understand this at all. It's like saying I love instruments but hate music.

Did you watch the video? It explains exactly what you are trying to figure out. Religion in this day and age has been distorted and customized by many, thusly he doesn't like religion.

The Republican insert was a jab at the myth that every republican/conservative is obviously a Christian.

[blaise]

I don't really think he's saying anything all that new in the first video. I've been of literally dozens of churches, and really they all say basically what he's saying in a different way.
I don't get his whole 'people think Republican=Christian' thing. I've never heard a pastor say that people should vote Republican. I've only heard politics twice in sermons. Once was at the Church of the Resurrection in Overland Park when the pastor said Jesus would have supported Obama's health care plan (in his opinion). The other time was at Foundry Methodist in Houston where the pastor just said they wouldn't be doing gay marriages. And that was just because it was sort of a hot button issue at the time. He certainly didn't spew any hate for homosexuals. He basically said our stance is it should be men marrying women.
I've certainly never heard a pastor suggest a single mom is a whore. He must be going to the wrong kind of churches.
As far as his point that it's more important to live a Christian life and do kind acts for one another, than it is to show up for church on Sunday. I've literally heard that in sermon over a hundred times. They ALWAYS say that. Get in a small group. Help your neighbor in times of need. Be there for others. Talk to people. Help poor people, personally. Visit prisoners. Give your time to others. Showing up to Sunday service isn't enough. Show kindness and empathy. They say that ALL THE TIME. All the time. I've heard it more times than I can count, at many many churches.
Maybe his problem is that he's been going to the wrong church.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Iconic

He talked about Churches and Republicans/Christianity. It can be logically assumed that's the 'religion' he's talking about. Regardless, Just for the sake of argument let's say it's just religion. Religion and Jesus are still parallel. I don't understand this at all. It's like saying I love instruments but hate music.

I believe he's using the term religion to mean a set of routines. Which is also a sermon I've heard many times. That religious formalities and routine don't equate love for Christ.
I really wouldn't say religion and Jesus are parallel.

[Baby Lee]

Only watched the first one thus far, but am taken aback by apparent contradictions.

Rails against religion for judging people, then talks about what an empty person he was when he beat his meat and macked on chicks. It's not that big of a leap to go from 'I was a bad person when I did x' to 'you are a bad person if you are still doing x too.'

Plus this whole thing about evangelicals who, within moments of engaging you start talking about how they were slaves to pounding their puds until they found Jesus is Waaaaay to Kirk Cameron gay crush on Jesus for me.

Then rails against religion for not doing enough charitable things, then concludes with the premise that it's not about anything you do here on earth, it's all about what Jesus did for you millenia ago.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by blaise

I don't really think he's saying anything all that new in the first video. I've been of literally dozens of churches, and really they all say basically what he's saying in a different way.
I don't get his whole 'people think Republican=Christian' thing. I've never heard a pastor say that people should vote Republican. I've only heard politics twice in sermons. Once was at the Church of the Resurrection in Overland Park when the pastor said Jesus would have supported Obama's health care plan (in his opinion). The other time was at Foundry Methodist in Houston where the pastor just said they wouldn't be doing gay marriages. And that was just because it was sort of a hot button issue at the time. He certainly didn't spew any hate for homosexuals. He basically said our stance is it should be men marrying women.
I've certainly never heard a pastor suggest a single mom is a whore. He must be going to the wrong kind of churches.
As far as his point that it's more important to live a Christian life and do kind acts for one another, than it is to show up for church on Sunday. I've literally heard that in sermon over a hundred times. They ALWAYS say that. Get in a small group. Help your neighbor in times of need. Be there for others. Talk to people. Help poor people, personally. Visit prisoners. Give your time to others. Showing up to Sunday service isn't enough. Show kindness and empathy. They say that ALL THE TIME. All the time. I've heard it more times than I can count, at many many churches.
Maybe his problem is that he's been going to the wrong church.

Good post. Politics and the Church do not mix in my opinion, I have been to many different church sermons and I have only ever heard a pastor get into politics, and that was briefly. In our area people pair the term "Republican" with staunch, conservative, white christian (sad, but true).

I will tell you this, if you get into "strong conservative churches" you will hear some of the things the guy in the first video talked about. I have heard churches tell homosexuals that they are going to hell, I have heard a lot of things that made me Bert Stare.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

Good post. Politics and the Church do not mix in my opinion, I have been to many different church sermons and I have only ever heard a pastor get into politics, and that was briefly. In our area people pair the term "Republican" with staunch, conservative, white christian (sad, but true).

I will tell you this, if you get into "strong conservative churches" you will hear some of the things the guy in the first video talked about. I have heard churches tell homosexuals that they are going to hell, I have heard a lot of things that made me Bert Stare.

And I'm sure that's true, but in the same way we shouldn't judge a group of men by the actions of one, we shouldn't judge religion as a whole by the actions of a church.
I move a lot. When we go to a new city we try probably 5 or 6 churches until we find one that fits.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Only watched the first one thus far, but am taken aback by apparent contradictions.

Rails against religion for judging people, then talks about what an empty person he was when he beat his meat and macked on chicks. It's not that big of a leap to go from 'I was a bad person when I did x' to 'you are a bad person if youare still doing x too.'

Then rails against religion for not doing enough charitable things, then concludes with the premise that it's not about anything you do here on earth, it's all about what Jesus did for you millenia ago.

I don't understand how you can come to any of these assumptions from watching that videos, almost seems like a grasping at straws method in my opinion. Anytime you are trying to assume or connect someone else's thoughts it usually doesn't bode well.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

Did you watch the video? It explains exactly what you are trying to figure out. Religion in this day and age has been distorted and customized by many, thusly he doesn't like religion.

The Republican insert was a jab at the myth that every republican/conservative is obviously a Christian.

Fair enough... He doesn't have to like religion that's fine. But it's not possible to like Jesus then either because that means you don't like what Jesus is teaching, which is essentially organized spiritual standards or 'religion'.

I understand what he is saying. But he should have altered his 'I hate religion and love Jesus' idea to I hate the human distortion in my religion but love what Jesus taught originally. That would be what he actually meant. What he SAID though, was Jesus>Religion. Which is just plain WRONG and literally ILLOGICAL.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

I don't understand how you can come to any of these assumptions from watching that videos, almost seems like a grasping at straws method in my opinion. Anytime you are trying to assume or connect someone else's thoughts it usually doesn't bode well.

They're not assumptions, they are the WORDS HE SAID.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by blaise

And I'm sure that's true, but in the same way we shouldn't judge a group of men by the actions of one, we shouldn't judge religion as a whole by the actions of a church.
I move a lot. When we go to a new city we try probably 5 or 6 churches until we find one that fits.

Good point, but wouldn't you agree that many non-church going folks have a marred image of church going folks because of the actions of Westboro Baptist?

[blaise]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC

Good point, but wouldn't you agree that many non-church going folks have a marred image of church going folks because of the actions of Westboro Baptist?

Yes they do. But he seems to be implying that all the churches are basically like Westboro Baptist. Most are not.
It really makes me wonder if he went to any churches at all, of if he's just making it up.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by Iconic

Fair enough... He doesn't have to like religion that's fine. But it's not possible to like Jesus then either because that means you don't like what Jesus is teaching, which is essentially organized spiritual standards or 'religion'.

I understand what he is saying. But he should have altered his 'I hate religion and love Jesus' idea to I hate the human distortion in my religion but love what Jesus taught originally. That would be what he actually meant. What he SAID though, was Jesus>Religion. Which is just plain WRONG and literally ILLOGICAL.

The fallecy with religion is that a lot of churches or faiths have some premise or Bible basis, but the intricacies of the doctrine taught is were you find the negative issues.

Mormon's statement of doctinal belief and catholics view to the untrained eye doesn't seem that far off.

[Iconic]

Originally Posted by blaise

I believe he's using the term religion to mean a set of routines. Which is also a sermon I've heard many times. That religious formalities and routine don't equate love for Christ.
I really wouldn't say religion and Jesus are parallel.

Religious formalities do equate love for Christ because those are initially his teachings. If you don't accept his teachings how can you accept the man himself? It's like me hating everything my dad does but loving him as a person. Nonsense.