Chiefs Chiefs Emery to Bears as next GM? - Page 6

Marco Polo · 01-20-2012, 06:18 PM

Sorry if repost, hopefully this wouldn't hurt our scouting for the draft.

Two league sources tell the Chicago Sun Times that Chiefs college scouting director Phil Emery is in the "driver's seat" to replace Jerry Angelo as the Bears' next general manager.

Emery worked in the Falcons' front office when Atlanta drafted Michael Vick, and has been with Scott Pioli in Kansas City for the last three seasons. A 31-year football veteran, Emery's background is almost strictly in college scouting.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-21-2012, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Yeah, he is easily replaceable but other teams want to hire him in a larger capacity.

How is that supposed to make sense?

My biggest concern by a mile is that we lose Emery and nobody qualified wants to take his job. After hearing about the culture Pioli's promoting in KC, who would really want to work there?

**The Bad Guy** · 01-21-2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Principal of the school? Are you kidding me?

Do you really think Thomas Dimitroff did nothing in New England? Because Emery is pretty much doing his job. Emery's doing it even MORESO because in New England, Pioli was purely a personnel guy whereas in Kansas City, he has to also handle coaches and, it appears, he micromanages a lot of the business side too. How much time do you think Pioli actually has to spend on scouting?

Emery is THE guy when it comes to scouting. He has to organize the scouting network, collect/digest/process a mountain of scouting information, and then give Pioli the important sound bytes. If anybody thinks Pioli has the time to read every single report from a scout, they're crazy. GMs put a ton of trust in their college scouting directors to get their evaluations right. Pioli may micromanage, but he's only human. Why do you think college scouting directors are constantly interviewed for GM positions? Because they are by a mile the most important guy in the organization below a GM.

And yes, Emery has done a remarkable job the past two seasons. He's been pretty solid in rounds 3-5.

So what I can gather is that you think principals of schools do nothing? It's the same principle. He organizes everything, analyzes numbers, communicates with staffs, checks productivity and then reports to his boss.

He has a network of scouts and the "Patriot way" has always been one one leaves they have his replacement ready in the front office/scouting/coaching.

This team is in bad shape, but it's not going to completely tank drafts if Phil Emery leaves, contrary to what you and Boss Chief want to keep preaching.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-21-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

My biggest concern by a mile is that we lose Emery and nobody qualified wants to take his job. After hearing about the culture Pioli's promoting in KC, who would really want to work there?

And no matter how big of an asshole Pioli is, there's going to be someone qualified that wants to have a high profile job in a front office. Pioli was an asshole before he got to KC and he was able to hire people.

If you think Baab's story is new info among NFL people, you are wrong.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-21-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88

So for those that think Emery was a major force behind our recent two drafts, how would you reconcile the fact that Pioli is a control freak who imposes his will on his underlings with Emery and Haley getting to choose Pioli's team's draft picks?

Doesn't make sense.

Pioli is the person who probably drafted and scouted every player we drafted in his era.

It is preposterous to credit Haley with shit besides Breaston and Bowe. It is enough that he trusted Palko more than Stanzi.
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Of course it doesn't make sense. They want to talk out both sides of their mouths. Pioli is a micromanager, but leaves everything to Emery?

It's Chiefzilla though. Common sense probably never paid a visit to his brain.

milkman · 01-21-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Where's Cutler going this time?

Kansas City?

chiefzilla1501 · 01-21-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

So what I can gather is that you think principals of schools do nothing? It's the same principle. He organizes everything, analyzes numbers, communicates with staffs, checks productivity and then reports to his boss.

He has a network of scouts and the "Patriot way" has always been one one leaves they have his replacement ready in the front office/scouting/coaching.

This team is in bad shape, but it's not going to completely tank drafts if Phil Emery leaves, contrary to what you and Boss Chief want to keep preaching.

I'm not saying principals of schools do nothing. I'm saying that scouting directors do a shitload more than principals. They do a shitload more than most managers. Diminishing their job to just some organizational role where they deploy scouts and just monitor results is beyond laughable. They are the face of the scouting organization and they have to be very good scouts themselves. Emery's job is to absorb a MASSIVE amount of scouting information and he has to be the one that tells Pioli the guys to pay attention to.

By the way, the Patriots were amazing at drafting. Lost Thomas Dimitroff. Had a few really shitty drafts. Brought Nick Caserio in in 2008. All of a sudden, from 2009 on, they become great at drafting again. But Dimitroff didn't do anything in New England, which is why he doesn't know what he's doing in Atlanta. Because nothing he did in New England prepared him for the GM job. That's probably the reason why Emery is the favorite to be the GM. Because Dimitroff and Emery, from having done nothing for their teams, are for some weird reason qualified to starting running an organization.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-21-2012, 09:58 AM

Spoken by someone who has no ****ing clue what principals of schools do.

milkman · 01-21-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

JFC now I see why you are sporting all that Chiefs red.

Kinda slow on the uptake on this one, aren't you?

chiefzilla1501 · 01-21-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Of course it doesn't make sense. They want to talk out both sides of their mouths. Pioli is a micromanager, but leaves everything to Emery?

It's Chiefzilla though. Common sense probably never paid a visit to his brain.

Yeah. I'm the one who lacks common sense. Which is why you're agreeing with the suggestion that Scott Pioli, a man busier than anyone I could ever imagine, has the time to individually scout thousands of players or has some kind of magic eyeball that allows him to know out thousands of players, these are the 50 I'm going to pay more attention to.

"Common sense": Pioli's job is to make the tough decisions about who to draft where. He also has to make decisions on how to run the organization, manage his coaches, work with pro personnel to know the talent that exists on other NFL rosters, etc.... He has a million and a half things to do. Pioli supposedly works unbelievably hard, but he's a human being. He can't possibly be a guru on scouting. Instead, he has to place a ton of trust in Emery to get him a manageable list of recruits and make sure that those recruits have very good scouting reports attached to them. Dwindling down that list from thousands to a select few Pioli can pay close attention to is really, really difficult work. You have to an outstanding eye for talent to do that. And coordinating your scouts to work on a very specific "playbook" so they know exactly what they're looking for, is hard work too.

By the way, this is the same argument I used to defend Pioli in NE against the dumbasses who said Pioli did nothing there. People credit Dimitroff and/or Bellichick. Both of those guys deserve credit, but from a personnel standpoint, the guy who deserves the most credit is Pioli. That's true here too. Pioli deserves the lion's share of credit, but he can't do it without Emery.

Brock · 01-21-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yeah, it's not going to have any effect at all. He only leads the entire scouting department.

Yeah, I'll bet there's no succession plan in place or anything. I'll bet Phil Emery, who you never heard of before this, is irreplaceable.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-21-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Why bother fighting it.

People are still convinced that you can do an entire draft off of online scouting reports.

...and "game film" off youtube

chiefzilla1501 · 01-21-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Spoken by someone who has no ****ing clue what principals of schools do.

No, I don't know what principals of schools in the detail that you do.

But I know enough to know that comparing the level of responsibility between the two positions is absolutely laughable. If anything, a Principal is more a GM than he is a scouting director.

Principals aren't teachers themselves. They have a million and a half other things to deal with. College Scouting Directors have to be scouting gurus.

Brock · 01-21-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

Thinking Haley had no hand in our drafts is like saying herm had nothing to do with drafts then too. Not giving either full credit, but come on man, they both had hands in the drafts they were a part of.

No, it's not really like that. We have a mountain of evidence that the coach in KC under Carl Peterson had a large hand in determining who they would draft. Just look at the different drafts under different coaches.

There is no evidence whatever that Pioli would listen to Haley's ideas to any degree. At all.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-21-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Yeah, I'll bet there's no succession plan in place or anything. I'll bet Phil Emery, who you never heard of before this, is irreplaceable.

First of all, get a clue. I wrote about Phil Emery years ago and actually used that to defend Pioli, saying he was going to make the 2010 draft better. Secondly, the idea that Phil Emery is a guy nobody has ever heard of, yet is a lead candidate for one of the most coveted positions in football is beyond laughable.

Phil Emery is very good at what he does. Other teams obviously respect his work. And they obviously believe he played a large enough role in KC that they're willing to trust him with the keys to their organization. This talk about limiting what Emery does is beyond ridiculous. They probably have a succession plan in place. But acting like Emery will be easy to replace is ridiculous.

Mr_Tomahawk · 01-21-2012, 10:36 AM

Can we just give them Cassel and Pioli, and we will keep Emery and take Cutler off their hands?

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