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**Saul Good** · 09:06 PM

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|Zach| · 03-11-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It's called hyperbole for effect. I've said many times now that it's because MU didn't have enough big wins in comparison with the others, not that they had absolutely none.

Well good luck understanding what words mean next time around. I know I will see alot of you in this thread working hard on that.

We can't read your mind. We can only read your poorly written posts.

**petegz28** · 03-11-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Remember guys - losing to good teams means you had a better year.

Where's KU's big win, hotshot? You're not really going to try to bark up that OSU tree are you? Beating OSU without Sullinger is no more impressive than beating Cal.

Keep on crowin', beaker. You really are talking out your ass.

KU's best win of the season was a 1 pt OT win t Lawrence against MU.

DJ's left nut · 03-11-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

I think the point (valid or otherwise) was that in the non-con, Mizzou didn't play a large number of teams headed for the dance.

Is it true that Mizzou only had one game against a team headed for the NCAA tournament in the non-con? If that is the case, like it or not, it's going to hurt.

Cal will also likely make it in.

And then there's just bad luck in our scheduling. Illinois was in the middle of a very nice run when we beat them; then they just collapsed down the stretch. That doesn't mean that Illinois wasn't playing great ball when we played them.

It's why the raw strength of schedule crap (i.e. you fellas chirping about that OSU win) is just stupid. Context matters.

But hey - KENPOM! Right?

**petegz28** · 03-11-2012, 11:35 AM

On a seperate note, UNC is down by 9 to FSU

Braincase · 03-11-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Cal will also likely make it in.

And then there's just bad luck in our scheduling. Illinois was in the middle of a very nice run when we beat them; then they just collapsed down the stretch. That doesn't mean that Illinois wasn't playing great ball when we played them.

It's why the raw strength of schedule crap (i.e. you fellas chirping about that OSU win) is just stupid. Context matters.

But hey - KENPOM! Right?

Once again, it's pretty subjective. It's stupid if it hurts you, it has value if it helps you. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a total dick here, although for some it might come across that way (usually does when KU fans and MU fans cross swords).

It does help that KU has more non-con wins against teams that are going to the tournament. It also helps KU that even their losses are against teams that are going to the dance as well. I think the loss to Okie State is the biggest black mark on either of the schedules, con or noncon.

**petegz28** · 03-11-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

Once again, it's pretty subjective. It's stupid if it hurts you, it has value if it helps you. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a total dick here, although for some it might come across that way (usually does when KU fans and MU fans cross swords).

It does help that KU has more non-con wins against teams that are going to the tournament. It also helps KU that even their losses are against teams that are going to the dance as well. I think the loss to Okie State is the biggest black mark on either of our schedules.

I think the loss to Davidson is the worst of the losses

**petegz28** · 03-11-2012, 11:40 AM

AllI remember was back when KU football went to the Orange Bowl all we heard from beakers was "they had a better record than MU because they had one less loss". Well true except MU played one more game than KU that KU was not good enough to quailify for.

So it's funny how suddenly when the tables are turned we hear about SoS and such.

Braincase · 03-11-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I think the loss to Davidson is the worst of the losses

Could be, but once again, they are in the tournament.

Braincase · 03-11-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

AllI remember was back when KU football went to the Orange Bowl all we heard from beakers was "they had a better record than MU because they had one less loss". Well true except MU played one more game than KU that KU was not good enough to quailify for.

So it's funny how suddenly when the tables are turned we hear about SoS and such.

That whole argument just got validated by the SEC, ironically enough. Remember, Alabama didn't even win their division.

**petegz28** · 03-11-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

Could be, but once again, they are in the tournament.

And I still see it as a 27-6 team vs. a 30-4 team. KU wasn't good enough to qualify for a 34th game, much like when they went to the Orange Bowl. If you want to get down to it, MU qualified for a 34th game against a ranked team that had just beat KU and won. So it isn't like the 34th game was against no one.

Frazod · 03-11-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

That whole argument just got validated by the SEC, ironically enough. Remember, Alabama didn't even win their division.

Alabama didn't play a pussy schedule and lose to the only good team they played.

Sorry, try again.

**petegz28** · 03-11-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

That whole argument just got validated by the SEC, ironically enough. Remember, Alabama didn't even win their division.

And it's bunk. You can't say you're a better team because you have less losses when you didn't play as many games.

**petegz28** · 03-11-2012, 11:51 AM

KU wasn't good enough to qualify for a 34th game for one. And secondly it isn't like they dominated the Big 12 and won it by 5 games. They won it by 2 games which really hinged on a 1 pt OT victory. Otherwise they end up tied with the team who was not only good enough to qualify for a 34th game but won it against a team that beat KU. MU is clearly the better team this year.

Braincase · 03-11-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Alabama didn't play a pussy schedule and lose to the only good team they played.

Sorry, try again.

Once again, it's all subjective. petegz28 just put forth an argument that Strength of Schedule is bullshit, and now frazod says it's important. I'll let you MU fans sort this out. I think my original point is valid regarding SOS - it's subjective. When it supports your position, you're going to be in favor of it, and when it works against you, you'll argue that it's BS. I think you both just reinforced my point.

DJ's left nut · 03-11-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Braincase

That whole argument just got validated by the SEC, ironically enough. Remember, Alabama didn't even win their division.

Then by the same logic, Kansas didn't win their conference. The regular season was just to set seeding for the playoffs - i.e. the conference tournament.

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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-895873	AllI remember was back when KU football went to the Orange Bowl all we heard from beakers was "they had a better record than MU because they had one less loss". Well true except MU played one more game than KU that KU was not good enough to quailify for. So it's funny how suddenly when the tables are turned we hear about SoS and such.
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03-11-2012, 11:51 AM	#4678
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-895873	KU wasn't good enough to qualify for a 34th game for one. And secondly it isn't like they dominated the Big 12 and won it by 5 games. They won it by 2 games which really hinged on a 1 pt OT victory. Otherwise they end up tied with the team who was not only good enough to qualify for a 34th game but won it against a team that beat KU. MU is clearly the better team this year.
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