DeCastro anyone?

[tredadda]

Now that we have our RT and missed out on the RGIII and Luck sweepstakes, how would people feel about drafting David DeCastro? The way I see it is unless we trade our first this year to someone for their first next year (assuming there is someone willing to do this) who else could we really use at #11? To me

1. Richardson will most likely be gone

2. Tannehill is a horrible idea at #11 assuming he is even there.

3. There are no NTs worth a #11 pick.

Why not get an elite guard and have a young monstrous O-Line with Albert-DeCastro-Hudson-Asamoah-Winston?

I am usually against the thought of drafting O-line in the first, but we are in a spot talent wise where he would be a great pickup since we will miss out on QB (clearly our biggest flaw) this year.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by milkman

Trent Richardson.

I am a fan of Shields, and as many might be able to tell you, I watch O-line play.

But the fact remains, guard is the least valuable and easiest position to find in the draft.

OK, just curious. I respect the fact you remain firm in that conviction.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by milkman

To your points.

First, we could stand to upgrade at Lilja's spot, but it isn't a glaring need.

Second, I was not one of those that was "jerking off hoping we would sign Carl Nicks" specifically because there's no way in hell you can justify that kind of investment in a guard.

Third, who the hell knows what any team's desires are when draft time comes around, but you have to at least attempt to trade down.

And the reason you draft a Trent Richardson is that he's a difference maker.

A guard, no matter how ****ing good he is projected to be, is not.

I get that, but here's the thing:

WE ALREADY HAVE DIFFERENCE MAKERS.

We need guys to block for them.

[xztop12]

decastroooooooo

normally i wouldnt say a guard can influence an offense much but with his pulling abilities, he can be 10 yards down the field with a guy as slow as Hillis running behind him

decastro vs richardson? id pick trent

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I get that, but here's the thing:

WE ALREADY HAVE DIFFERENCE MAKERS.

We need guys to block for them.

If he is the first pick I say it's more about protecting Cassel's ass to make him look ok than anything else.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

You CAN find a quarterback in the sixth round.

But you don't.

Oh, and Ben Grubbs was a first round pick.
So was pro Bowler Davin Joseph.
So was pro Bowler Steve Hutchinson.
So was pro Bowler Logan Makins

And the ENTIRE idea that you can find these guys in later rounds is misleading for two reasons:

1. That is true of literally every position. It has nothing to do with guard. I can make the same case with running back (arian foster), wide receiver (marques colston), quarterback (drew brees/brady), pass rusher (james harrison), cornerback (brandon carr).

2. Part of the reason why you could find guys like that later is because there was less of a premium on interior linemen a few years ago. However, teams are beginning to realize that the quickest path to the QB is up the middle. You'll notice more guys like:

Maukice Pouncey - pro bowler
Mike Iupati
Mike Pouncey
Alex Mack - pro bowler
Eric Wood
Danny Watkins

All interior linemen drafted in the first round within the last three years. More teams are drafting them higher, so the gems aren't lasting as long. It's the same with QB. You used to be able to get a developmental guy like Tannehill or Weeden in the second or third. Now you HAVE to draft him in the first, because other teams will reach.

A player's value is determined by when other teams will draft him.

And in the same draft that the Bills got Eric Wood, they also got Andy Levitre in the 4th round(?), and he is almost, if not, every bit as good as
Wood.

And yes, I fully understand and recognize that other positions can be, and have been, found later in the draft, but not one position has the same history of success later in the draft than guard.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by tredadda

If Will Shields and Trent Richardson are sitting there for you to draft at #11, who do you draft?

You see that's a trick question though.

Will Shields was a 3rd rounder. The question isn't this guy or this guy. The question is.. "Do you spend a high 1st rounder on a Guard when they are routinely filled in the mid rounds?" And the answer is no.

Furthermore, on the list of importance, Guard is way down there. Lets not pretend this like like getting a LT.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by suds79

You see that's a trick question though.

Will Shields was a 3rd rounder. The question isn't this guy or this guy. The question is.. "Do you spend a high 1st rounder on a Guard when they are routinely filled in the mid rounds?" And the answer is no.

Furthermore, on the list of importance, Guard is way down there. Lets not pretend this like like getting a LT.

I think they're going higher now because when you're a good team it's a safe pick. No one is gonna look back and bitch that you drafted a multi time pro bowler 10 year starter with your first pick.

[saphojunkie]

God, weren't people saying this same shit about safety two years ago? Drafting on position is archaic.

You don't turn your back on any position other than kicker/punter. Draft the best player. Not every first round pick is going to be Calvin Johnson. Get a starter, hopefully a pro bowler, but a solid, consistent starter, if nothing else.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by milkman

And in the same draft that the Bills got Eric Wood, they also got Andy Levitre in the 4th round(?), and he is almost, if not, every bit as good as
Wood.

And yes, I fully understand and recognize that other positions can be, and have been, found later in the draft, but not one position has the same history of success later in the draft than guard.

Running back sure as hell does.

[suds79]

On the offensive side of the ball, how many positions would you say are less important that Guard.

If you had to list them. How many would be lower than Guard?

FB - That's easy.
C - ??? Maybe? I think it's a toss up with being tied with Guard.

It just isn't an impact position. Guards and Centers are scrub guys that can be filled easily in the draft. You going to spend a #11 pick on that? Of course not.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by suds79

On the offensive side of the ball, how many positions would you say are less important that Guard.

If you had to list them. How many would be lower than Guard?

FB - That's easy.
C - ??? Maybe? I think it's a toss up with being tied with Guard.

It just isn't an impact position. Guards and Centers are scrub guys that can be filled easily in the draft.

I could sit here and argue all positions on offense are easy to fill other than QB, LT and WR...so should we be taking defense?

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by Mecca

This team will never touch Jenkins, his character flaws are to much.

Jesus Christ look what the cat dragged in!?

[xztop12]

we're talking about trent richardson and decastro

some guys in another thread were talking about janoris jenkins LOLLLLLL

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by xztop12

we're talking about trent richardson and decastro

some guys in another thread were talking about janoris jenkins LOLLLLLL

Jenkins would be a top 15 pick if he wasn't such a jackass.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Running back sure as hell does.

How many real difference makers are there at RB?