-- Are any of you NEVER out of weed?

[crazycoffey]

there are a hell of a lot of people that smoke weed. Young kids too, I've pulled baggies from a quite a few kids under 17. I wouldn't be surprised if in our lifetime we see it decriminalized if not out right legalized.

However;

It's not legal right now, and even if it does become legal. How can even the biggest doper say it's ok to operate heavy equipment, operate on a human being, fly a plane, etc while stoned?

[solidgold]

Originally Posted by StanziShouldStart

there are a hell of a lot of people that smoke weed. Young kids too, I've pulled baggies from a quite a few kids under 17. I wouldn't be surprised if in our lifetime we see it decriminalized if not out right legalized.

However;

It's not legal right now, and even if it does become legal. How can even the biggest doper say it's ok to operate heavy equipment, operate on a human being, fly a plane, etc while stoned?

It is decriminalized in many states and a few of those states have legalized it for medical use with a few more looking to outright legalize for recreational purposes at the next available opportunity.

Totally agreed that not a single doper can argue that it is ok to operate such machinery. Doubt they'd even try... unless really, really, really blazed - I mean after all nothing really exists and we're all, like, just a dream of some giant koala bear and when that koala bear wakes up... man, what's gonna happen to us then?

[KChiefer]

Originally Posted by StanziShouldStart

It's not legal right now, and even if it does become legal. How can even the biggest doper say it's ok to operate heavy equipment, operate on a human being, fly a plane, etc while stoned?

I agree that none of those things should be done while stoned. IMO this can also be said of people with legal prescriptions like antidepressants. There are times when I can tell someone is on antidepressants, and they can act squirrelly.

I'd say that if someone wants to fly solo "high," over the ocean, go for it, although that's shortsighted when thinking of emergency responders that would have to deal with it. However, sober people do dumb stuff all the time. Darwin Award winners aren't all stoners and were probably drunk if I had my bet on it.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by KChiefer

I agree that none of those things should be done while stoned. IMO this can also be said of people with legal prescriptions like antidepressants. There are times when I can tell someone is on antidepressants, and they can act squirrelly.

I'd say that if someone wants to fly solo "high," over the ocean, go for it, although that's shortsighted when thinking of emergency responders that would have to deal with it. However, sober people do dumb stuff all the time. Darwin Award winners aren't all stoners and were probably drunk if I had my bet on it.

Any mind altering, or mood changing, or effects your reactionary times, from legal medicine, alcohol or even prescription weed is the same boat, absolutely. And that should be under consideration before going to work for just about any job. Unless you work at home on the phone I guess. But even then you want someone working for you talking to your customers and saying things they might not say if not on prescriptions?

It's just not ethical. I think that was the original point from John (how I took it anyway) and what I was also trying to say in my last post.

[JOhn]

Originally Posted by StanziShouldStart

Any mind altering, or mood changing, or effects your reactionary times, from legal medicine, alcohol or even prescription weed is the same boat, absolutely. And that should be under consideration before going to work for just about any job. Unless you work at home on the phone I guess. But even then you want someone working for you talking to your customers and saying things they might not say if not on prescriptions?

It's just not ethical. I think that was the original point from John (how I took it anyway) and what I was also trying to say in my last post.

[Bump]

Originally Posted by StanziShouldStart

However;

It's not legal right now, and even if it does become legal. How can even the biggest doper say it's ok to operate heavy equipment, operate on a human being, fly a plane, etc while stoned?

NOBODY is saying that!

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Bump

NOBODY is saying that!

I'm not going to go back and find it, someone (maybe more) was saying they can go to work stoned, because it wasn't a big deal or a harmful drug. And something about if a patient died under a doctor's care and the doc was tested positive for weed, it doesn't mean he was high while operating, which while technically true; isn't really the point of the messages being exchanged.


I'm paraphrasing....

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by The Real Kurt Kobain

there are a hell of a lot of people that smoke weed. Young kids too, I've pulled baggies from a quite a few kids under 17. I wouldn't be surprised if in our lifetime we see it decriminalized if not out right legalized.

However;

It's not legal right now, and even if it does become legal. How can even the biggest doper say it's ok to operate heavy equipment, operate on a human being, fly a plane, etc while stoned?

dumb ppl exist in all walks of life, even ppl that don't do any drugs. I look at the issue this way;

*keep the other laws in place and drop the "drug use" type legislation.

* DUI is still in effect, can't be doing that stuff on even pain pills script or you should be charged when found driving carelessly, in a wreck etc.

* Let trained physicians handle drug abuse through rehab pgms etc. this also means sentencing should give these docs teeth too. sometimes criminal insanity is just that, and it comes in many many flavors and speeds. sometimes, drug abuse is only the tip of the iceberg.

* breaking into houses and theft are still very much on the books as illegal, don't need to have other police activities suffer -- in fact, decriminalizing drugs will do the opposite, it will bolster police presence on many other fronts including theft and trespassing.

* Let the FDA handle new drug regs with these mexi cartels. ha. end of cartel life. they can't compete with free market.

drugs are dangerous and ppl need much better quality education on drug use etc. there will always be users, abusers and we can handle this much more effectively if we change our approach on treatment from a proactive stance, all the way through how we handle repeat abusers and mentally ill.

hey also want to say I enjoyed reading your other post in this thread -- america needs cops like you my friend, they need them in spades. hope you rub off on your partners.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

dumb ppl exist in all walks of life, even ppl that don't do any drugs. I look at the issue this way;

*keep the other laws in place and drop the "drug use" type legislation.

* DUI is still in effect, can't be doing that stuff on even pain pills script or you should be charged when found driving carelessly, in a wreck etc.

* Let trained physicians handle drug abuse through rehab pgms etc. this also means sentencing should give these docs teeth too. sometimes criminal insanity is just that, and it comes in many many flavors and speeds. sometimes, drug abuse is only the tip of the iceberg.

* breaking into houses and theft are still very much on the books as illegal, don't need to have other police activities suffer -- in fact, decriminalizing drugs will do the opposite, it will bolster police presence on many other fronts including theft and trespassing.

* Let the FDA handle new drug regs with these mexi cartels. ha. end of cartel life. they can't compete with free market.

drugs are dangerous and ppl need much better quality education on drug use etc. there will always be users, abusers and we can handle this much more effectively if we change our approach on treatment from a proactive stance, all the way through how we handle repeat abusers and mentally ill.

hey also want to say I enjoyed reading your other post in this thread -- america needs cops like you my friend, they need them in spades. hope you rub off on your partners.

Do you know what Ed Gein said about women?

[Bump]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

dumb ppl exist in all walks of life, even ppl that don't do any drugs. I look at the issue this way;

*keep the other laws in place and drop the "drug use" type legislation.

* DUI is still in effect, can't be doing that stuff on even pain pills script or you should be charged when found driving carelessly, in a wreck etc.

* Let trained physicians handle drug abuse through rehab pgms etc. this also means sentencing should give these docs teeth too. sometimes criminal insanity is just that, and it comes in many many flavors and speeds. sometimes, drug abuse is only the tip of the iceberg.

* breaking into houses and theft are still very much on the books as illegal, don't need to have other police activities suffer -- in fact, decriminalizing drugs will do the opposite, it will bolster police presence on many other fronts including theft and trespassing.

* Let the FDA handle new drug regs with these mexi cartels. ha. end of cartel life. they can't compete with free market.

drugs are dangerous and ppl need much better quality education on drug use etc. there will always be users, abusers and we can handle this much more effectively if we change our approach on treatment from a proactive stance, all the way through how we handle repeat abusers and mentally ill.

hey also want to say I enjoyed reading your other post in this thread -- america needs cops like you my friend, they need them in spades. hope you rub off on your partners.

we're talking about WEED dude, not heroin or crack. JFC. Weed helps people, it's never hurt anybody, ever in 1,000's of years. Get a clue, please.