It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse...

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Mimms? Are you freaking kidding? He was a rook last year that was on the practice squad. He's 6'8" and 360 lbs. If he is even half-assed effective in a zone scheme I'll eat my hat. As good as depth as guys who have actual game time in this system?

Mimms? That's the guy you are hanging your argument on? Really?

You are citing guys like Greenwood, Siler, Sheffield, Studebaker and others as reasons we should take another OT and you think its fun to throw stones when you live in that crazy world of Okung and the magical Reiff?

Rich

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

From the guy who wants Tannehill (1 1/2 years as a starter after being converted to wide receiver in a total gimmick spread system) or Mark Barron (torn pec repair, double hernia repair, arrest who was no better than a third rounder to start the 2011 season).

That's your first round wish list?

Talk about dumbassery.

Tannehill has similar experience in college to guys like:

Aaron Rogers
Joe Flacco
Tom Brady
Cam Newton
Mark Sanchez (even though he isnt exactly the guy I would hang this argument on)

At quarterback, you can either ply the position or you cant.

Tannehill has the tools and work ethic to be considered a possible 3rd overall selection.

If your return argument is that "he is just being propped up by the weak class of quarterbacks" then, why isn't anyone else seemingly soaring up charts?

Saying Mark Barron was only a third rounder prior to this year isnt exactly telling it how it is, either.

His stock went up, sure....but he was always thought of as a high second rounder prior to this last year where he played a lot more in coverage and faired quite well, showing that he is a true dual threat safety and those are worth their weight in gold in todays NFL.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You are siting guys like Greenwood, Siler, Sheffield, Studebaker and others as reasons we should take another OT and you think its fun to throw stones when you live in that crazy world of Okung and the magical Reiff?

I'm not a Reiff fan. I think he's a guard at the next level. I could see them taking him though.

Tannehill has similar experience in college to guys like:

Aaron Rogers
Joe Flacco
Tom Brady
Cam Newton
Mark Sanchez (even though he isnt exactly the guy I would hang this argument on)

At quarterback, you can either ply the position or you cant.

Tannehill has the tools and work ethic to be considered a possible 3rd overall selection.

He's closer to Sanchez than the others as Rogers, Flacco and Newton were all playing QB, just transferred. Brady was a fifth year senior in a system that he was QB for the entire time.

He's supposedly a smart guy and athletic. But he's raw as sushi. All those guys you mentioned were more polished quarterbacks than Tannehill.

I'm not saying he can't become one, but it's going to take time and if the Chiefs sign him, I don't see him providing anything at this stage that they already have in Stanzi (and most likely substantially less at this point). Quinn is a big, physical prototype as well. I'd love to see what he's actually capable of now that he isn't getting thrown under the bus by Mangini or part of the Tebow circus in Denver. Here was a legit first round quarterback with all the tools, a great work ethic, experience in a pro system, and I don't think he's ever really been given a chance.

If your return argument is that "he is just being propped up by the weak class of quarterbacks" then, why isn't anyone else seemingly soaring up charts?

Because there isn't the "prototypes" available in this draft other than Tannehill.

If Wilson or Moore were three inches taller...If Weeden was five years younger...those three are superb quarterbacks - heady, students of the game that have produced extremely well, but they aren't "prototype" like Tannehill purportedly is. It's why guys like Boller and Russell go in the first round - because of the potential, because they can throw a ball 80 yards. Teams feel that a lot of the other stuff can be coached up or matured into. Sometimes it can, like Brett Favre. Sometimes it can't, like Ryan Leaf.

Cousins is suffering from the Brady syndrome - successful, team leader, throws a decent ball and steps up in game situations, but his measurables and looks are just meh.

Tannehill looks the part. He's the one apparently with the potential at this point.

I just haven't seen enough of it from him to justify it for the Chiefs to spend a near top ten draft pick on him. Call me conservative, but I think he's a long term project that may or may not get it. I'll take a guy like Moore in the later rounds based on his uncanny ability to take a team and elevate it and win versus a guy that's been relatively mediocre to this point but has "potential."

[QUOTE]Saying Mark Barron was only a third rounder prior to this year isnt exactly telling it how it is, either.

His stock went up, sure....but he was always thought of as a high second rounder prior to this last year where he played a lot more in coverage and faired quite well, showing that he is a true dual threat safety and those are worth their weight in gold in todays NFL.[QUOTE]

I think their situations are similar. Barron is a very athletic guy who hasn't put up huge numbers in the Alabama defense, but is going to get elevated based on his "potential" due to his size and athletic ability. Right now, he is not a better cover than Lewis is and he really hasn't shown that in his game to this point, especially considering that they had guys like Kirkpatrick in coverage and the amazing pressure up front.

Add to that the injury history (and a torn pec and double hernia surgeries are a concern), I don't think he's anywhere close to being a guy who you look at with the #11 pick, especially when you've got two really solid, young safeties in Berry and Lewis.

Just my take.