If you were picking guys in the draft...

[Saccopoo]

How would your draft have looked if you were Chiefs GM with the guys available when the Chiefs selected?

1. Michael Brockers, DT; LSU
2. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin
3. Robert Turbin, RB; Utah State
4. Alameda Ta'amu, DT; Washington
5. Winston Guy, S; Kentucky
6. Ryan Lindley, QB; San Diego State
7. Drake Dunsmore, TE; Northwestern
7. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU

[spanky 52]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the Chiefs draft is better than every draft in this thread. Easily. And I'm lukewarm on this draft.

If I were drafting for the Chiefs, I wouldn't have sat out the most trade-busy draft in NFL history. I would have moved up for some players I love (instead of getting jumped ourselves constantly), or I would have traded down and accumulated more help.

Instead, we sat still while the world buzzed by us. Like Amish in the world of Interstates and technology.

Fittingly, we ended up with a decent-enough draft, but it was the most non-flashy, non-memorable draft by any team in the draft this side of the Oakland Raiders. And they had like three picks.

Watch S Taylor torch our ass when we play San Diego.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the Chiefs draft is better than every draft in this thread. Easily. And I'm lukewarm on this draft.

[RealSNR]

As bad as this safety class was this year, there were some pretty sexy middle-round prospects that I really liked:

Brandon Taylor
George Iloka
Trumaine Johnson
Winston Guy

I would have much rather have had one of those guys than Stephenson or Whitey Brokeslapdick Coyote.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by SNR

As bad as this safety class was this year, there were some pretty sexy middle-round prospects that I really liked:

Brandon Taylor
George Iloka
Trumaine Johnson
Winston Guy

I would have much rather have had one of those guys than Stephenson or Whitey Brokeslapdick Coyote.

Would have liked to grab Boykin at CB as well.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Out of your 218 mock drafts did you come close to getting KC's draft right?

Of course not.

I don't really like this draft at all, for reasons I've highlighted all year. Other than the Stephenson selection, there wasn't really a selection in this draft I was happy about.

But I think this draft does more for the Chiefs than much of what's listed on this thread.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Fine. Let's do this thing.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Here is my draft:

1. Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama
2. Devon Still, DE, Penn State
3. Ben Jones, C, Georgia
4. Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
5. Cyrus Gray, RB, Texas A&M
6. James Hanna, TE, Oklahoma
7. Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State
7. Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin

I loved Still early in the draft season, I did. But you have to evaluate as time goes on, and the addition of Allen, who is a surefire-starter at guard with LT upside, does more to fortify this team than Still, a guy that just endured a Jimmy Clausen-like slide.

Hightower upgrades an unimportant position, which I'm still not very excited about doing in the draft, my interest in Kuechly notwithstanding. Jones and Chapman are solid picks in the midrounds, but Jones has no place on this team -- Hudson was drafted, and has projected for two years now, to be the center of the future. Instead, we used the third to upgrade at tackle. In your scenario, a 7th rounder (whom I do actually like) is fortifying our tackle position, not Stephenson.

Gray is a good pick in the midround there, but we got him a full round later.

The only player that I think would have been a solid acquisition in your draft that clearly outdoes Pioli's draft is Chapman. That's a king-sized acquisition, and I would have loved that over any one of our midrounders.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Fine. Let's do this thing.

I loved Still early in the draft season, I did. But you have to evaluate as time goes on, and the addition of Allen, who is a surefire-starter at guard with LT upside, does more to fortify this team than Still, a guy that just endured a Jimmy Clausen-like slide.

Hightower upgrades an unimportant position, which I'm still not very excited about doing in the draft, my interest in Kuechly notwithstanding. Jones and Chapman are solid picks in the midrounds, but Jones has no place on this team -- Hudson was drafted, and has projected for two years now, to be the center of the future. Instead, we used the third to upgrade at tackle. In your scenario, a 7th rounder (whom I do actually like) is fortifying our tackle position, not Stephenson.

Gray is a good pick in the midround there, but we got him a full round later.

The only player that I think would have been a solid acquisition in your draft that clearly outdoes Pioli's draft is Chapman. That's a king-sized acquisition, and I would have loved that over any one of our midrounders.

As much as a like Allen, keeping Hudson at a position where he was a stud at college makes alot of sense to me. While I think Hudson will transition fine to center, Jones who was a stud in the SEC will end up better. Lilja becomes depth at guard, which he wouldn't be before. He can play both guard spots so that is our guard depth.

Still was a BPA pick in the second round but fills a need. Depth at DE. With Jackson, Dorsey, Bailey and Still we can rotate on the line all day. Not to mention being able to fill Dorsey's spot if we can't resign him next year.

Hightower can play both ILB's if needed but more than likely would take Belcher's spot which would upgrade that position. If Belcher is your backup, then you are in a good spot.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the Chiefs draft is better than every draft in this thread. Easily...

You are high as shit.

1. Poe is a project that basically is going to be Crennel's legacy here in Kansas City, good - bad - whatever. Crennel puts all his eggs into the Poe basket and hopes like hell that Poe and Ultra Peanut are right and this guy tears peoples heads off. He didn't two gap well at Memphis and I see him as a Ngata-lite 34 DE versus a true nose in this system, meaning Jackson goes weakside, Poe goes strong side and tries to pull in the tight end as well as the OT and ROG due to his hyper athletic ability for a dude his size.

His measurables are the stuff of legends and hopefully he was just suffering at Memphis due to three Defensive Co's in three years and that they didn't really know what to do with him.

2. Jeff Allen is a solid player, but unspectactular. A very nice swing tackle that really never distinguished himself as dominant at the college level. They are planning on moving him inside. Position change at a substanitally higher competition level means a steep learning curve. If you are taking a guy in the second to be a starter at guard, just take the best guy in recent memory at that position with the first pick in DeCastro. Why try to convert when you could have had the best guard in college - by a large/huge margin the previous round?

3. I liked Stephenson a lot going into the draft as I thought he was one of the guys who would transition well to a pro zone system, but the third was a bit of a reach for a guy that they could have had in Nate Potter or Matt Reynolds in the seventh round and free agency, respectively.

4. In the fourth they took a guy who is basically the exact same player as Dexter McCluster - with an injury history. The guy is an absolute burner, but he's a gadget offensive/special teams guy. Wylie is McCluster. Redundant and unnecessary.

5. Menzie played opposite a stud in Kirkpatrick with a fearsome pass rush and run defense. He's not fast, doesn't have jump/twitch skills. He's just a guy. He is instinctive though, but he's not as good as Jalil Brown from last year. Fifth corner on the roster at best.

6. Gray is a decent all-around player that isn't very effective in-between the tackles, but he doesn't need to be if Hillis is healthy in 2012. He's got a chance, but doesn't do anything particularly special.

7. Long? Billy Winn was sitting there in the sixth. Winn absolutely killed people against good teams players and looked the part of a starting five tech. Long was a full time starter only in his senior season. He's a smart kid who did have a nice senior year, but it's not like he blew shit up.

7. Hemmingway has a chance to be a solid slot guy, especially in this system. Might actually end up as the H-back as he's a really stout and compact dude who has nice body control but no real speed coming off the line. Best pick in this draft by the Chiefs IMO.

This draft reminds me of 2009. Jackson/Poe the project in the system, a bunch of filler, and the best pick ends up being the last guy in the seventh round (Succop/Hemmingway).

A very uninspired and suspect draft considering the guys still on the board with each pick that they had.

Overall draft rating: D

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

As much as a like Allen, keeping Hudson at a position where he was a stud at college makes alot of sense to me. While I think Hudson will transition fine to center, Jones who was a stud in the SEC will end up better. Lilja becomes depth at guard, which he wouldn't be before. He can play both guard spots so that is our guard depth.

Still was a BPA pick in the second round but fills a need. Depth at DE. With Jackson, Dorsey, Bailey and Still we can rotate on the line all day. Not to mention being able to fill Dorsey's spot if we can't resign him next year.

Hightower can play both ILB's if needed but more than likely would take Belcher's spot which would upgrade that position. If Belcher is your backup, then you are in a good spot.

Good take, though I think that Hudson, who was one of the best guards to ever come out of the college ranks, has the skill and strength and intelligence and drive and work ethic to be a top flight center. As such, if you are picking a guard to come in and be a starter from Day 1, don't you just go ahead and take DeCastro versus hope Allen can make the transition from LT to LG? DeCastro is a phone booth destroyer with the athletic ability to play in any scheme.

With Lilja and Harris on the roster, this draft of Allen and Stephenson in the 2/3 rounds speaks more to their worry of Winston's injury and Albert's production or lack thereof.

Allen and Stephenson are both pretty solid tackles at the college level. Very good feet, excellent kick steps by both and the size+agility to play the zone block system at the next level at either side.

I don't see either as necessarily the starting guard versus finally having a guy or two on the roster that actually can play the edge in a zone.

[BossChief]

Poe has already been told he will be the teams NT.

[Blick]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You are high as shit.

1. Poe is a project that basically is going to be Crennel's legacy here in Kansas City, good - bad - whatever. Crennel puts all his eggs into the Poe basket and hopes like hell that Poe and Ultra Peanut are right and this guy tears peoples heads off. He didn't two gap well at Memphis and I see him as a Ngata-lite 34 DE versus a true nose in this system, meaning Jackson goes weakside, Poe goes strong side and tries to pull in the tight end as well as the OT and ROG due to his hyper athletic ability for a dude his size.

His measurables are the stuff of legends and hopefully he was just suffering at Memphis due to three Defensive Co's in three years and that they didn't really know what to do with him.

2. Jeff Allen is a solid player, but unspectactular. A very nice swing tackle that really never distinguished himself as dominant at the college level. They are planning on moving him inside. Position change at a substanitally higher competition level means a steep learning curve. If you are taking a guy in the second to be a starter at guard, just take the best guy in recent memory at that position with the first pick in DeCastro. Why try to convert when you could have had the best guard in college - by a large/huge margin the previous round?

3. I liked Stephenson a lot going into the draft as I thought he was one of the guys who would transition well to a pro zone system, but the third was a bit of a reach for a guy that they could have had in Nate Potter or Matt Reynolds in the seventh round and free agency, respectively.

4. In the fourth they took a guy who is basically the exact same player as Dexter McCluster - with an injury history. The guy is an absolute burner, but he's a gadget offensive/special teams guy. Wylie is McCluster. Redundant and unnecessary.

5. Menzie played opposite a stud in Kirkpatrick with a fearsome pass rush and run defense. He's not fast, doesn't have jump/twitch skills. He's just a guy. He is instinctive though, but he's not as good as Jalil Brown from last year. Fifth corner on the roster at best.

6. Gray is a decent all-around player that isn't very effective in-between the tackles, but he doesn't need to be if Hillis is healthy in 2012. He's got a chance, but doesn't do anything particularly special.

7. Long? Billy Winn was sitting there in the sixth. Winn absolutely killed people against good teams players and looked the part of a starting five tech. Long was a full time starter only in his senior season. He's a smart kid who did have a nice senior year, but it's not like he blew shit up.

7. Hemmingway has a chance to be a solid slot guy, especially in this system. Might actually end up as the H-back as he's a really stout and compact dude who has nice body control but no real speed coming off the line. Best pick in this draft by the Chiefs IMO.

This draft reminds me of 2009. Jackson/Poe the project in the system, a bunch of filler, and the best pick ends up being the last guy in the seventh round (Succop/Hemmingway).

A very uninspired and suspect draft considering the guys still on the board with each pick that they had.

Overall draft rating: D

I don't think Poe has the arm length to play outside. Does Wilfork ever play the 5 technique in New England? Serious question. I want to say that I've seen it before, but I'm not sure. They have the same size arms is why I'm curious.

I like the Allen pick. They picked him for his versatility. DeCastro can't play both tackle spots. He's just a guard. Allen can play every position except center. My concern with Allen is that he seems like a pass protector first and a finesse run blocker. I don't know why you would kick a guy like that inside to face bigger, stronger guys.

Stephenson was a bit of a reach, but he's a great fit for the zone scheme like you mention. He's more athletic and a better fit for our scheme than Potter or Reynolds.

Wylie is not the same as McCluster. McCluster was almost a 4.6 guy at the combine. Wylie ran under a 4.4. Wylie actually played WR. McCluster was a RB. Wylie was a great punt returner. I'm not even sure if McCluster was used on returns in college. The only similarities are size and injury issues, and even then, Wylie is bigger.

Menzie will probably be a safety, or a safety/corner hybrid package guy. He's a good football player. If you want jump/twitch guys, we could always give Donald Washington more playing time.

Gray is a solid, balanced RB. Good pick.

Long was the only pick I didn't like that much. But, I understand why they did it. He got better each year. Put on 35 pounds while he was in school. Hard worker. I think they looked at him as a guy who still might be getting used to his added weight and still has his best football ahead of him.

I like Hemingway. I don't really see the H-back thing, but you never know.

I hope it ends up better than 2009, but I can definitely see the similarities.

[BryanBusby]

1st) David DeCatro, OG Stanford
2nd) Kevin Zeitler, OG Winsconsin
3rd) Brandon Brooks, OG Miami Oh.
4th) Tony Bergstrom, OG Utah
5th) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6th) Desmond Wynn, OG Rutgers
7th) Kellen Moore, Super Bowl MVP Boise State
7th) Adam Gettis, OG Iowa (YEAHHHH IOWA PICK HERE GUYS)

Too lazy to make new list of guards. The only thing I really would of done differently was taken a CB in the 3rd round.

[Bewbies]

[kcbubb]

Trade back with Seattle and get 15, 114 (4th) & 172 (6th).

1) Melvin Ingram OLB
2) Peter Konz C
3) Joe Adams WR
4) Ta'amu NG
4) Bobby Massie T
5) Chris Rainey RB
6) James Hannah TE
6) Billy Winn DE
7) David Molk C
7) Junior Hemingway WR

Championship!