Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 50

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

kcbubb · 05-02-2012, 02:19 PM

With Daboll coming in, how much does the offense change if at all? Does Quinn have an advantage over Cassel in knowing the offense from his previous time with Daboll?

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

A 24-year old body is possibly still maturing, especially with modern sports medicine.

A 24-year old mind is ABSOLUTELY still maturing.

Take the football out of it and look at them as human beings. One of them is chronologically "maxed out". Period.

Rich Gannon didn't show anything until he was 32 years old.

**The Franchise** · 05-02-2012, 02:22 PM

The only way that I can see Cassel getting pulled is that he looks lost in TC, looks like complete shit in preseason and then comes out and completely shits the bed in the first 6 games of the season. And I mean 3 TDs to 10 INTs bad. He will have to actually LOSE us games based on how bad he is.

Other than that happening.....Cassel will play the entire season.

kcbubb · 05-02-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Even if they're winless, he'll still start.

I don't think so. One thing the Hunt's respond to is ticket sales. And if the Chiefs start out bad and that stadium is empty, changes will be made.

Look at Peterson's history. Chiefs were always competitive but never won the big games. A decision wasn't made to remove him until the seats were empty.

ChiefsCountry · 05-02-2012, 02:24 PM

I have a gut feeling that Brady Quinn is going to be our quarterback for this year and future Chiefs seasons.

kcbubb · 05-02-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The only way that I can see Cassel getting pulled is that he looks lost in TC, looks like complete shit in preseason and then comes out and completely shits the bed in the first 6 games of the season. And I mean 3 TDs to 10 INTs bad. He will have to actually LOSE us games based on how bad he is.

Other than that happening.....Cassel will play the entire season.

If the stadium is empty, I think they will make a change. Quinn would bring some buzz and lots of pub too. Lots of people are curious about him and want to know if he truly is a bust.

**The Franchise** · 05-02-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I have a gut feeling that Brady Quinn is going to be our quarterback for this year and future Chiefs seasons.

I do as well.

kcbubb · 05-02-2012, 02:27 PM

Does anybody know how much the offense will change under Daboll?

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

So, as long as he's younger...it doesn't matter that the numbers, currently, suggest he's not a significant upgrade (IF he's an upgrade at all)?

You're focusing too much on numbers.

They never paint the whole picture.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Rich Gannon didn't show anything until he was 32 years old.

Oh yeah?

**** you.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Both did. If you want to call that level of play a franchise level.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Cassel DID NOT play like a franchise QB in 2010.

Freeman was being hyped big time by the end of the year as Tampa Bay's savior.

STOP looking at statistics.

One quarterback has an ability to throw accurately down the field.

The other DOES NOT.

htismaqe · 05-02-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Rich Gannon didn't show anything until he was 32 years old.

Rich Gannon never actually showed anything. When you throw out the rose-colored revisionist history, he produced nearly IDENTICAL results to Elvis Grbac in KC and in Oakland, he played in a dink and dunk offense with two HoF WRs.

Rich Gannon may be one of the most overrated QBs in Chief fan history.

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

A 24-year old body is possibly still maturing, especially with modern sports medicine.

A 24-year old mind is ABSOLUTELY still maturing.

Take the football out of it and look at them as human beings. One of them is chronologically "maxed out". Period.

I get that part, but that's only important to the REST of Freeman's career.
He'll most certainly be done in Tampa Bay if he doesn't prove himself in 2012.

In being just 25 after next season he'll have 5-6 more years left in his body, but he'll be all but finished as an NFL starter. He isn't going to get another chance to be "the guy" unless the QB, he'll most certainly be backing up, goes down due to injury.

He DOES NOT have 5 more years to prove himself to the Bucs.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I have a gut feeling that Brady Quinn is going to be our quarterback for this year and future Chiefs seasons.

Unpossible. Clay said he sucks. 12 games is more than enough to evaluate...

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 02:37 PM

It's not so much the 12 games...it's that people saw those 12 games and decided he didn't even deserve another chance.

That's pretty bad, and that's two franchises doing that.

And I'm sure he'll be #3 here in KC, proving that he does, in fact, suck a large amount of cock.

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1238179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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