Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

[crazycoffey]

where do we rate the suicide for attention seekers? Example, the other day call to 911 for help, "just took a bunch of pills and tried to kill myself". I'm first on scene, he/she wants water, has a bunch of paste in his/her mouth and lips. I say no, and ask what he/she took, answer was Ramelteon. Medic gets there, offers to let he/she have some water if he/she promises not to swallow it, only to rinse out his/her mouth. He/she swallows the water and the pills in front of us.

That was for attention, painfully obvious, but what if he/she died that night from the pills? Modern medicine is good, but sometimes it doesn't save everyone. Can I call those people idiots and pass judgement? Or should I say, "ahh, poor boy/girl, probably had a hard life, I'd probably be seeking attention anyway I could if I had been treated or seen what he/she saw."?

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

where do we rate the suicide for attention seekers? Example, the other day call to 911 for help, "just took a bunch of pills and tried to kill myself". I'm first on scene, he/she wants water, has a bunch of paste in his/her mouth and lips. I say no, and ask what he/she took, answer was Ramelteon. Medic gets there, offers to let he/she have some water if he/she promises not to swallow it, only to rinse out his/her mouth. He/she swallows the water and the pills in front of us.

That was for attention, painfully obvious, but what if he/she died that night from the pills? Modern medicine is good, but sometimes it doesn't save everyone. Can I call those people idiots and pass judgement? Or should I say, "ahh, poor boy/girl, probably had a hard life, I'd probably be seeking attention anyway I could if I had been treated or seen what he/she saw."?

Hard to pass judgement either way in that instance but that does sound a bit attention seeking. But without knowing the back story, it is hard to know. I suppose you can separate the attention seeking suicide attempts quite simply from those who use guns. Guns usually aren't attention seeking attempts if they actually pull the trigger. Most of those attempts are permanent, and even if they do miss, the physical effects are lasting.

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

where do we rate the suicide for attention seekers? Example, the other day call to 911 for help, "just took a bunch of pills and tried to kill myself". I'm first on scene, he/she wants water, has a bunch of paste in his/her mouth and lips. I say no, and ask what he/she took, answer was Ramelteon. Medic gets there, offers to let he/she have some water if he/she promises not to swallow it, only to rinse out his/her mouth. He/she swallows the water and the pills in front of us.

That was for attention, painfully obvious, but what if he/she died that night from the pills? Modern medicine is good, but sometimes it doesn't save everyone. Can I call those people idiots and pass judgement? Or should I say, "ahh, poor boy/girl, probably had a hard life, I'd probably be seeking attention anyway I could if I had been treated or seen what he/she saw."?

Which of these potential outcomes is worse: helping someone who might not be for really reals depressed enough to be completely suicidal*, or brushing off a suicidal person as being a "faker" and failing to get them the help they need?

*but still in a ****ed up enough state to FAKE being suicidal, which is probably deserving of some psychiatric attention nonetheless. So really, does it matter what your opinion of their situation is based on the tiny, desperate sliver of their life you were exposed to? Why not just help people and let the mental health professionals figure them out?

Mind reading is, like, really hard, dude.

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Which of these potential outcomes is worse: helping someone who might not be for really reals depressed enough to be completely suicidal*, or brushing off a suicidal person as being a "faker" and failing to get them the help they need?

it's worse for me, personally, to help a faker, because it wastes my time and energy.

if the other guy kills himself that's his problem.

this is assuming i don't know either potential suicide very well personally

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

it's worse for me, personally, to help a faker, because it wastes my time and energy.

if the other guy kills himself that's his problem.

this is assuming i don't know either potential suicide very well personally

Sorry, I was positing the question as though the respondent were a human with the capacity for empathy.

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

Sorry, I was positing the question as though the respondent were a human with the capacity for empathy.

capitalism teaches me to succeed and make a profit and protect my own best interests for the sake of preserving my future for myself and my family. i can't do that by spending precious money-earning-hours providing a shoulder to cry on for the downtrodden.

don't try making me feel bad for being a product of my environment, you just sound like a commie.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

capitalism teaches me to succeed and make a profit and protect my own best interests for the sake of preserving my future for myself and my family. i can't do that by spending precious money-earning-hours providing a shoulder to cry on for the downtrodden.

don't try making me feel bad for being a product of my environment, you just sound like a commie.

Compassion isn't a vice, nor is it a Communist trait.

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Compassion isn't a vice, nor is it a Communist trait.

Well honesty doesn't make me an asshole either.

did either of you see the part at the end of the post where i said,

"assuming i don't know the potential suicide personally"

?

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by Backwards Masking

capitalism teaches me to succeed and make a profit and protect my own best interests for the sake of preserving my future for myself and my family. i can't do that by spending precious money-earning-hours providing a shoulder to cry on for the downtrodden.

don't try making me feel bad for being a product of my environment, you just sound like a commie.

It's true. Capitalism is depraved. Thanks for being a living, breathing example of its results, I guess?

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

It's true. Capitalism is depraved. Thanks for being a living, breathing example of its results, I guess?

i just answered your questions honestly - it's better for my personal well being to let someone blow their head off than flap jaws with a faker for their attentions sake.

i can admit to being depraved, but i won't admit to being wrong, at least not here.

[ReynardMuldrake]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

It's true. Capitalism is depraved. Thanks for being a living, breathing example of its results, I guess?

GET BACK TO YOUR SUICIDE PREVENTION HOTLINE, YOU COMMUNIST!