Is this being too judgmental?

[Titty Meat]

Today I saw something I thought was pretty shitty and shared it with facebook. I saw a visibly pregnant women smoking outside of Arby's with a Co-worker. I called this women a selfish POS and was told by someone how that's ****ed up and I was being judgmental. Was I in the wrong?

Originally Posted by Earthling

Could have been an e-cig. Could be her Doc just gave her weeks to live. You don't know her or anything about her. Personally I would have told you to shut the fu*k up and mind your own business.

She could have been an alien sent to collect the reactions of humans to a smoking pregnant woman. This is why I just ignore all of them in hopes of skewing their data.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I'm not a huge fan of of BP and while I don't really enjoy confronting random strangers, I'm on board with BP holding this woman accountable. Probably could have been more graceful in the way he did it but maturity comes with age. I don't have a huge problem with it.

You don't like me? lame.

[Bump]

only on CP would pregnant women smoking be acceptable.

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

You don't like me? lame.

You seem a little too ripe for confrontation which may be part of your problem. I didn't say "I don't like that guy". I said, "I'm not a huge fan" which is a much nicer way of saying "I don't like that guy". It's akin to saying, "I'm concerned for the welfare of your unborn child" which is a much nicer way of saying "you're a worthless, selfish POS".

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Bump

only on CP would pregnant women smoking be acceptable.

Pretty sure no one here finds it acceptable. Hell even with the argument I made that it's blown out of proportion by the media.. I still find it completely unacceptable, low class and selfish.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefburger

the conscious act of smoking is harmful to others and just inconsiderate. the fact that she forced those toxins into the nascent respiratory system of an unborn child makes her a POS.

"Harmful to others" is rarely the case in reality... on the flip side, it being inconsiderate is far too often the case.

And a fetus/baby doesn't have a working respiratory system.. it goes in through the bloodstream... not better by any stretch but just keeping the facts straight. (I'm assuming you are referring to respiratory as in the act of drawing in through the air not cellular respiration which wouldn't make much more sense anyway.)

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Chiefburger

by definition, i would consider a number of innocent activities selfish, including exercising, studying, masturbating, etc. i could even add necessities like sleeping and eating to the list. by this logic, there is no question what she did was selfish. but moreover, unlike the acts above, the conscious act of smoking is harmful to others and just inconsiderate. the fact that she forced those toxins into the nascent respiratory system of an unborn child makes her a POS.

Respiratory system? Of an unborn child?

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

"Harmful to others" is rarely the case in reality... on the flip side, it being inconsiderate is far too often the case.

Bingo. The whole "OMG SECONDHAND SMOKE" is a red herring that people hide behind because they don't like the smell of it.

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by Bump

only on CP would pregnant women smoking be acceptable.

I don't think anyone agreed that it was an acceptable practice for a pregnant woman to smoke. The question is should you inject your beliefs on a complete and total stranger.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Bingo. The whole "OMG SECONDHAND SMOKE" is a red herring that people hide behind because they don't like the smell of it.

I wish our schools properly taught the difference between causality and correlation and maybe even a class on epidemiology. Hell a simple class on toxicology wouldn't hurt either.

The thing that bothers me more than ANYTHING is that people swallow these "facts" and then go around espousing them as if they KNOW with absolute certainty what the reality is. Rarely do they do the research and dive into the actual studies themselves.. instead preferring to trust sensationalist media crap. Don't quote some bullshit meta-study... show me hard evidence. Oh, sorry, that's right.. it doesn't exist. This rant applies to all sorts of crap science not just the smoking propaganda.

In this instance, I have no problem with the idea that smoking is harmful to a fetus. Every worthwhile study I have seen shows a small BUT statistically significant impact. That is plenty for me to agree that pregnant women shouldn't smoke. AND there is always a chance that it is worse but we just don't have the hard proof to back that up. I just hate the rantings and assumptions of proof that in reality doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Bingo. The whole "OMG SECONDHAND SMOKE" is a red herring that people hide behind because they don't like the smell of it.

I agree with you except for the inexplicable lung and throat cancer my wife's grandmother contracted even though she's never smoked a day in her life and spent 30 years working in an office environment full of smokers. Her body has been zapped with so much chemo now that she has to eat special food because her salivary glands don't really function any longer.

Originally Posted by Earthling

I don't think anyone agreed that it was an acceptable practice for a pregnant woman to smoke. The question is should you inject your beliefs on a complete and total stranger.

In support of a defenseless child? Why wouldn't you? Unless you're the type of person who gets a kick out of confrontation the very act of objecting seems to imply that you care more about the kid than the woman carrying him/her.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I agree with you except for the inexplicable lung and throat cancer my wife's grandmother contracted even though she's never smoked a day in her life and spent 30 years working in an office environment full of smokers. Her body has been zapped with so much chemo now that she has to eat special food because her salivary glands don't really function any longer.

I'm sorry about your wife's grandmother but you know full well that anecdotal evidence is not evidence at all in a serious discussion of the risks. I can point out more examples of no contact with smoke and instances of lung disease or even examples of people who smoked their whole life and never had the disease.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Phobia

I agree with you except for the inexplicable lung and throat cancer my wife's grandmother contracted even though she's never smoked a day in her life and spent 30 years working in an office environment full of smokers. Her body has been zapped with so much chemo now that she has to eat special food because her salivary glands don't really function any longer.

Yes, I recall you bringing this up before. The thing is, you can find isolated incidences of lung cancer in non-smokers...it happens. There are other things that can contribute to it. You can't say with absolute certainly that secondhand smoke caused it.

With that said, I have no issue with workplace smoking bans, no one should be subjected to that on a daily basis. Hell, even the restaurant ban didn't bother me. But we crossed the line over to absurdity with the bar ban and there are even places where smoking outdoors is being controlled. Walking by someone who is smoking outside isn't going to give anyone lung cancer.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Phobia

In support of a defenseless child? Why wouldn't you? Unless you're the type of person who gets a kick out of confrontation the very act of objecting seems to imply that you care more about the kid than the woman carrying him/her.

I agree with this completely. I doubt I would handle that way myself but I have zero problem with it happening.